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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:29 pm

Tesla Full Self Driving Price Increase Coming Soon
https://insideevs.com/tesla-full-self-d ... -increase/

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:37 pm

Elon:
“Please note that the price of the Tesla Full Self-Driving option will increase substantially over time”

“Starting May 1”

He should have added:
Or decrease. Or stay the same. Or go up one day/week/month/quarter and down the next or vice versa, depending on sales, how desperate we are for cash, and/or my level of self-medication and whether my access to Twitter is blocked.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:33 pm

IEVS:
Tesla Full Self-Driving: First "The Smear" Then The "Slow Walk"
https://insideevs.com/news/346884/tesla-full-self-driving-future/

Should we be concerned about the near-term future of Tesla's Full Self-Driving Tech?

It was a relatively short comment in Tesla's ground-breaking presentation on full self-driving (FSD) capabilities for its fleet of Model 3, Model S, Model X vehicles. During the viral FSD presentation, Elon Musk stated this:

“There are three steps to full self-driving capability: [Developing] a ‘feature complete’ FSD system; [Ensuring] a feature complete FSD system to the degree that the person in the car does not have to pay attention to driving, and [Finalizing] a feature complete FSD system at a reliability level where we [Tesla] convince regulators that is true.”

It's high time that they start to meet those sort of safety/reliability challenges, BEFORE putting the car in the hands of the public.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:20 pm

GRA wrote:IEVS:
Tesla Full Self-Driving: First "The Smear" Then The "Slow Walk"
https://insideevs.com/news/346884/tesla-full-self-driving-future/

Should we be concerned about the near-term future of Tesla's Full Self-Driving Tech?

It was a relatively short comment in Tesla's ground-breaking presentation on full self-driving (FSD) capabilities for its fleet of Model 3, Model S, Model X vehicles. During the viral FSD presentation, Elon Musk stated this:

“There are three steps to full self-driving capability: [Developing] a ‘feature complete’ FSD system; [Ensuring] a feature complete FSD system to the degree that the person in the car does not have to pay attention to driving, and [Finalizing] a feature complete FSD system at a reliability level where we [Tesla] convince regulators that is true.”

It's high time that they start to meet those sort of safety/reliability challenges, BEFORE putting the car in the hands of the public.


Why don't you stick with your arm-chair EV expertise, while the rest of us make use of what we've got? Autopilot has saved me a significant amount of fatigue as it is in the past year of driving. I used to get exhausted driving my leaf through traffic after work. Although I never crashed, I have "dozed" off before, and that was far more dangerous than any semi-autonomous system. There are millions of other fatigued drivers on the road each day. hundreds of accidents happen daily (some of which are fatal), while we "wait for FSD to be ready". Inaction can be just as irresponsible.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:51 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:Why don't you stick with your arm-chair EV expertise, while the rest of us make use of what we've got? Autopilot has saved me a significant amount of fatigue as it is in the past year of driving. I used to get exhausted driving my leaf through traffic after work. Although I never crashed, I have "dozed" off before, and that was far more dangerous than any semi-autonomous system. There are millions of other fatigued drivers on the road each day. hundreds of accidents happen daily (some of which are fatal), while we "wait for FSD to be ready". Inaction can be just as irresponsible.

You want to talk about inaction? What are you or anyone else doing choosing to drive when you're that tired, putting other people at risk? You simply have no business being on the road. It's an exercise in irresponsibility, not an excuse for relying on an admittedly inadequate self-driving system to make up for your own poor decisions. You want to take effective action? Get the hell off the road and take a nap.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:30 pm

GRA wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:Why don't you stick with your arm-chair EV expertise, while the rest of us make use of what we've got? Autopilot has saved me a significant amount of fatigue as it is in the past year of driving. I used to get exhausted driving my leaf through traffic after work. Although I never crashed, I have "dozed" off before, and that was far more dangerous than any semi-autonomous system. There are millions of other fatigued drivers on the road each day. hundreds of accidents happen daily (some of which are fatal), while we "wait for FSD to be ready". Inaction can be just as irresponsible.

You want to talk about inaction? What are you or anyone else doing choosing to drive when you're that tired, putting other people at risk? You simply have no business being on the road. It's an exercise in irresponsibility, not an excuse for relying on an admittedly inadequate self-driving system to make up for your own poor decisions. You want to take effective action? Get the hell off the road and take a nap.


His LEAF makes him tired, mine did too, Driving with AP reduced fatigue, you would know this if you ever drove one long distance. I am vastly more alert in my 3 than any car I have ever owned.

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:38 pm

GRA wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:Why don't you stick with your arm-chair EV expertise, while the rest of us make use of what we've got? Autopilot has saved me a significant amount of fatigue as it is in the past year of driving. I used to get exhausted driving my leaf through traffic after work. Although I never crashed, I have "dozed" off before, and that was far more dangerous than any semi-autonomous system. There are millions of other fatigued drivers on the road each day. hundreds of accidents happen daily (some of which are fatal), while we "wait for FSD to be ready". Inaction can be just as irresponsible.

You want to talk about inaction? What are you or anyone else doing choosing to drive when you're that tired, putting other people at risk? You simply have no business being on the road. It's an exercise in irresponsibility, not an excuse for relying on an admittedly inadequate self-driving system to make up for your own poor decisions. You want to take effective action? Get the hell off the road and take a nap.


It's called, "make it back in time to pick up the kids from day care after a long day at work", because heaven forbid I don't have to work or don't have kids. We don't always get to choose our circumstances.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:59 am

GRA wrote:You want to talk about inaction? What are you or anyone else doing choosing to drive when you're that tired, putting other people at risk? You simply have no business being on the road. It's an exercise in irresponsibility, not an excuse for relying on an admittedly inadequate self-driving system to make up for your own poor decisions. You want to take effective action? Get the hell off the road and take a nap.

May I suggest you simply not get on the road? You're obviously too filled with rage, so go sit in time-out before you get back on the road. :lol:

As others have suggested, life. Unless you want to make the incredulous claim that you've immediately pulled off the side of the road EVERY SINGLE TIME you've felt drowsy, and you took a nap. If you do want to make that claim, I'll call you a liar. If you don't want to make that claim, then feel free to retract your prior high horse statement.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:02 pm

+1!

EVDRIVER wrote:His LEAF makes him tired, mine did too, Driving with AP reduced fatigue, you would know this if you ever drove one long distance. I am vastly more alert in my 3 than any car I have ever owned.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:43 pm

Durandal wrote:
GRA wrote:You want to talk about inaction? What are you or anyone else doing choosing to drive when you're that tired, putting other people at risk? You simply have no business being on the road. It's an exercise in irresponsibility, not an excuse for relying on an admittedly inadequate self-driving system to make up for your own poor decisions. You want to take effective action? Get the hell off the road and take a nap.

May I suggest you simply not get on the road? You're obviously too filled with rage, so go sit in time-out before you get back on the road. :lol:

As others have suggested, life. Unless you want to make the incredulous claim that you've immediately pulled off the side of the road EVERY SINGLE TIME you've felt drowsy, and you took a nap. If you do want to make that claim, I'll call you a liar. If you don't want to make that claim, then feel free to retract your prior high horse statement.

Nope, I didn't pull off the road the first time I felt drowsy while driving. It was summer 1987, I'd been driving over a decade, and I'd spent a long hot day at the Castle Air Force Base air show (well into triple digit temps on the apron, limited shade). I was in my Dad's new Acura Legend because my Datsun 2000 didn't have AC, and went into micro-sleep while on the freeway coming back. Woke an instant later as I started to drift out of my lane, over-corrected (over-assisted power-steering with no feel) and felt the car start to lift off its inside wheels. Got it back under control without hurting anyone or myself, pulled off at the next exit and took a nap, something I've done ever since anytime I feel drowsy while driving. Most auto accidents involve one or more of the four D's: Drunk, Drugged, Drowsy or Distracted. Anyone's right to make stupid decisions ends when they endanger others who aren't voluntary participants in their stupidity. If you're going to be late, be late. Beats being referred to as 'the late' in a premature obituary, but far worse is if you hurt anyone else on your way out the Darwin Awards door. I can't imagine a parent voluntarily choosing to drive while drowsy so they can pick up their kids and put them at higher risk as well. Would anyone say that doing so while drunk is acceptable?

So yeah, I do have rage against people who engage in behavior they know to be dangerous and who knowingly put others at risk without their consent. I've engaged in lots of activities that have higher than average risk, and I'd strenuously object to any attempt by the government to prohibit me from choosing to do them. But the second I endanger others who haven't consented, the government has both the right and duty to stop me and impose a punishment for doing so. Maximizing personal rights also requires maximizing personal responsibility.
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