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GRA said:
They're going to a 'pull-in and be billed wirelessly for the juice' model, but haven't introduced it yet. Reliability remains to be seen, but they've had some initial problems at some sites, as did Tesla. EA has little choice but to maintain the sites, as they're required to do so for I think it's 10 years. Unlike Tesla, if they fall short it means they'll be penalized even more. Nav. etc. info will undoubtedly follow, but as long as you've got a cell phone, you can find them. AFAIA all the stations are 24/7, although the surrounding businesses aren't.
No sooner written than announced - GCC:
Electrify America launches EV charging app, membership options; plans ~20% price reduction off current rates
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/05/20190506-ea.html

The Electrify America [App] allows users to:

  • Locate a Charger: Find a charging station near you and get directions. The Locate a Charger feature shows you the charging stations in your area, how many of each type of charger are at the station, and which ones are currently available. Become a member of Electrify America Pass and you can see the charging status of vehicles currently using the chargers and get notified when a charger becomes available.

    Pay for a charge: Upload payment information into the app and pay for a charging session through the phone. You can also see prices before you charge, by selecting a station where you’d like to view the charging costs.

    Track your charging session: While your vehicle is charging, you can check its progress in real time. If your vehicle communicates charging information, the app will show you your battery’s current state of charge (SOC) and the time until your battery reaches “bulk” charge, typically around 80 percent SOC. You also can choose to get notifications when your charging session has started, slowed and stopped. Once your session is complete, the app will provide a receipt. . . .
The app and other changes come on line in late May.
 
GCR:
Report says Fiat Chrysler emissions deal worth $2 billion to Tesla
https://www2.greencarreports.com/ne...ysler-emissions-deal-worth-2-billion-to-tesla

Analysts should no longer be worried about whether Tesla has enough cash to meet its immediate needs.

In addition to $2 billion it raised in stocks and convertible bonds last week, the company signed a deal with Fiat Chrysler last month to share its emissions credits in Europe with the Italian-American automaker, which is lagging in electric cars.

What wasn't apparent at the time is that the Fiat Chrysler deal was also worth about $2 billion to the Silicon Valley startup automaker, according to a report last weekend in the Financial Times (subscription required. . . .)
 
cwerdna said:
Musk confidently told investors on the call that autonomous driving will transform Tesla into a company with a $500 billion market cap, these people said. Its current market cap stands around $42 billion. He also said that existing Teslas will increase in value as self-driving capabilities are added via software, and will be worth up to $250,000 within three years.
:lol:
Yeah, so anybody still long on TSLA deserves every single dollar they lose if they are reading S@(# like this and still think it's wise to be invested in this company. Now he's saying a $40k car will be worth $250k in three years.

I have no sympathy for people losing money on this stock. It's their own fault now, has been for a while. Another 52 week low hit today. This stock has a lot further to fall. Losing money on stocks is sometimes just bad luck. Them's the breaks. But if you're still long TSLA you're being negligent with your money; actually disrespecting it. I'd rather see a person spend their TSLA portfolio at a casino because at least the drinks are free.
 
EatsShootsandLeafs said:
I have no sympathy for people losing money on this stock. It's their own fault now, has been for a while. Another 52 week low hit today. This stock has a lot further to fall. Losing money on stocks is sometimes just bad luck. Them's the breaks. But if you're still long TSLA you're being negligent with your money; actually disrespecting it. I'd rather see a person spend their TSLA portfolio at a casino because at least the drinks are free.

Remember, the TSLA price movements are also correlated to market movements, i.e. the DOW is down over $550 today.
 
lorenfb said:
EatsShootsandLeafs said:
I have no sympathy for people losing money on this stock. It's their own fault now, has been for a while. Another 52 week low hit today. This stock has a lot further to fall. Losing money on stocks is sometimes just bad luck. Them's the breaks. But if you're still long TSLA you're being negligent with your money; actually disrespecting it. I'd rather see a person spend their TSLA portfolio at a casino because at least the drinks are free.

Remember, the TSLA price movements are also correlated to market movements, i.e. the DOW is down over $550 today.
True but as of this moment TSLA is more than 2X the loss of the DOW. Heck, it's down more than AAPL, which had some bad news today from the supreme court.
 
EatsShootsandLeafs said:
lorenfb said:
EatsShootsandLeafs said:
I have no sympathy for people losing money on this stock. It's their own fault now, has been for a while. Another 52 week low hit today. This stock has a lot further to fall. Losing money on stocks is sometimes just bad luck. Them's the breaks. But if you're still long TSLA you're being negligent with your money; actually disrespecting it. I'd rather see a person spend their TSLA portfolio at a casino because at least the drinks are free.

Remember, the TSLA price movements are also correlated to market movements, i.e. the DOW is down over $550 today.
True but as of this moment TSLA is more than 2X the loss of the DOW. Heck, it's down more than AAPL, which had some bad news today from the supreme court.

Maybe there're some negative Tesla reports which will come later today or during the week, which has already been impounded in the stock price now.
 
Tom Moloughney's take on the EA network and its effect on Tesla, via IEVS:
Is Tesla Losing Its Supercharger Advantage?
https://insideevs.com/news/349187/video-tesla-losing-supercharger-advantage/

ABG:
Elon Musk's 'pedo guy' tweet is headed to trial
Judge refuses to dismiss, sets court date in cave diver's defamation lawsuit
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/11/elon-musk-pedo-guy-defamation-lawsuit/

A federal judge on Friday said Elon Musk must face a defamation lawsuit by a British diver who said he was falsely branded a pedophile and child rapist by the chief executive of electric car company Tesla Inc.

U.S. District Judge Stephen Wilson in Los Angeles said a reasonable jury could conclude that Musk's comments were more than merely opinions, and scheduled a trial for Oct. 22.

The judge had on April 26 denied Musk's bid to dismiss the lawsuit brought by diver Vernon Unsworth, without explaining his reasoning.

Musk's lawyers did not immediately respond on Friday to requests for comment. . . .

In seeking a dismissal, Musk's lawyers said such comments were "imaginative" or "over-the-top" insults that constituted protected opinion under the U.S. First Amendment.

But the judge said Musk was not communicating in "heated and volatile" settings that might explain any excesses.

"Considering the totality of the circumstances — including the general context of defendant's statements, the specific context of the statements, and the statements' susceptibility of being proved true or false — a reasonable factfinder could easily conclude that defendant's statements, as pleaded in the complaint, implied assertions of objective fact," Wilson wrote. . . .

The significance of the ruling is clear: publication of accusations on Twitter does not provide a safe harbor for defamatory statements that are false and convey that they are factual," Unsworth's lawyer L. Lin Wood said in an email.

Unsworth is seeking at least $75,000 in compensatory damages plus punitive damages in his September 2018 lawsuit. . . .
Sigh. Although this is personal rather corporate, it's just another stupid and unnecessary distraction stemming from Elon's meltdown last year. Elon should have long since settled this out of court, with a public apology plus payment.
 
GRA said:
Sigh. Although this is personal rather corporate, it's just another stupid and unnecessary distraction stemming from Elon's meltdown last year. Elon should have long since settled this out of court, with a public apology plus payment.
He can no more do that than a dog can be trained to guard a pork roast. Insofar as it is possible to diagnose a medical disorder from afar it's clear he has narcissistic personality disorder. His behavior of ties in nicely with that. Even if he apologizes he wheels it back because it simply, viscerally, does not sit well with him to admit he was wrong.
 
EatsShootsandLeafs said:
He can no more do that than a dog can be trained to guard a pork roast. Insofar as it is possible to diagnose a medical disorder from afar it's clear he has narcissistic personality disorder. His behavior of ties in nicely with that. Even if he apologizes he wheels it back because it simply, viscerally, does not sit well with him to admit he was wrong.
I disagree to a considerable extent. He's been willing to say he's been an idiot or similar on several occasions, and we have a very obvious example of narcissistic personality disorder on public display on a daily if not hourly basis to compare Elon to, which makes the comparison easy. Whether Elon's willing to sincerely apologize is another matter, but while I have no doubt he's got a big ego, I don't see any evidence of a major personality disorder such as you suggest.

Meanwhile, spotted a political bumper sticker (on a Niro HEV) which pretty much sums up my attitude at the moment: https://www.canvasfreaks.com/produc...MIjoGvk-yZ4gIVl9hkCh2NKgyhEAQYASABEgKf8fD_BwE
 
GRA said:
EatsShootsandLeafs said:
He can no more do that than a dog can be trained to guard a pork roast. Insofar as it is possible to diagnose a medical disorder from afar it's clear he has narcissistic personality disorder. His behavior of ties in nicely with that. Even if he apologizes he wheels it back because it simply, viscerally, does not sit well with him to admit he was wrong.
I disagree to a considerable extent. He's been willing to say he's been an idiot or similar on several occasions, and we have a very obvious example of narcissistic personality disorder on public display on a daily if not hourly basis to compare Elon to, which makes the comparison easy. Whether Elon's willing to sincerely apologize is another matter, but while I have no doubt he's got a big ego, I don't see any evidence of a major personality disorder such as you suggest.

Meanwhile, spotted a political bumper sticker (on a Niro HEV) which pretty much sums up my attitude at the moment: https://www.canvasfreaks.com/produc...MIjoGvk-yZ4gIVl9hkCh2NKgyhEAQYASABEgKf8fD_BwE
He doesn't even dispute it:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016005381686943744?lang=en

His self-destructive behavior on twitter with the pedo diver speaks for itself.

As for admitting fault he has been wrong dozens and dozens of times and on a mere handful can we count the times he's truly admitted it. Making wilder claims is also symptomatic of his personality problems. These things recently about FSD and appreciating cars are thoroughly indefensible and he's being roundly mocked for them, yet keeps doubling down on it.
 
EatsShootsandLeafs said:
GRA said:
EatsShootsandLeafs said:
He can no more do that than a dog can be trained to guard a pork roast. Insofar as it is possible to diagnose a medical disorder from afar it's clear he has narcissistic personality disorder. His behavior of ties in nicely with that. Even if he apologizes he wheels it back because it simply, viscerally, does not sit well with him to admit he was wrong.
I disagree to a considerable extent. He's been willing to say he's been an idiot or similar on several occasions, and we have a very obvious example of narcissistic personality disorder on public display on a daily if not hourly basis to compare Elon to, which makes the comparison easy. Whether Elon's willing to sincerely apologize is another matter, but while I have no doubt he's got a big ego, I don't see any evidence of a major personality disorder such as you suggest.

Meanwhile, spotted a political bumper sticker (on a Niro HEV) which pretty much sums up my attitude at the moment: https://www.canvasfreaks.com/produc...MIjoGvk-yZ4gIVl9hkCh2NKgyhEAQYASABEgKf8fD_BwE
He doesn't even dispute it:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016005381686943744?lang=en

His self-destructive behavior on twitter with the pedo diver speaks for itself.

As for admitting fault he has been wrong dozens and dozens of times and on a mere handful can we count the times he's truly admitted it. Making wilder claims is also symptomatic of his personality problems. These things recently about FSD and appreciating cars are thoroughly indefensible and he's being roundly mocked for them, yet keeps doubling down on it.
We know he's a visionary/salesman, and his predictions of schedules are very optimistic. He may or may not be a narcissist, but as he points out in your link, if he is he's a useful one, unlike the other major public figure who routinely makes hyperbolic statements that bear no relation to reality, who is completely incapable of making fun of himself, and who from my layman's perspective looks like a textbook case of NPD.

So, while Elon often makes excessively optimistic and sometimes extremely unlikely claims, he's delivered on enough of them (albeit usually late) that he has some reason to have a big ego, although he's largely destroyed his own/Tesla's credibility over schedules and some other matters while making them.

I don't know about you, but most people don't like to apologize even when they know they're in the wrong. Last year's behavior was definitely counter-productive, but then I've never been under the kind of workload and pressure he was and self-medicating to get through it, so I'm not prepared to say I'd do better. That's the main problem I've been seeing for a long time - he spreads himself too thinly, plus he's an entrepreneurial personality, and they tend to be the wrong person to lead a company into maturity. We can only hope that the recent agreement with the SEC will put an adequate muzzle on him at least for corporate issues, and hopefully they will get someone else to run the company day to day so he can do what he does best, look at the big picture.
 
I coserder GRA a spammer he FAVORS hydsregon b\baaed cares like the Toyota based MIE dispute its poor reveres. He does not own any car and-he hates BEVS"s he id an enemy sand I feel banning him was the right choice.
 
GlennD said:
I coserder GRA a spammer he FAVORS hydsregon b\baaed cares like the Toyota based MIE dispute its poor reveres. He does not own any car and-he hates BEVS"s he id an enemy sand I feel banning him was the right choice.

Please proofread that post and try to make it more intelligible. I don't favor banning anyone for their views, only for their behavior.
 
^^^
I'm in no way in favor of banning GRA. That said, I do find it very puzzling he spends so much time here yet still has not leased nor bought an EV or PHEV. :? We've discussed this a bunch of times already some I'm not sure we need to re-"litigate" that.

There numerous competent to great EVs and PHEVs in CA, used EVs (like Leafs) available for cheap, Bolts being heavily discounted and at least new Teslas are affordable now w/their awesome SC network.
 
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cwerdna said:
^^^
I'm in no way in favor of banning GRA. That said, I do find it very puzzling he spends so much time here yet still has not leased nor bought an EV or PHEV. :? We've discussed this a bunch of times already some I'm not sure we need to re-"litigate" that.
There isn't any need to re-litigate it, but as I've explained to you numerous times that current BEVs and their infrastructure simply don't meet my requirements for a car yet (400-3,000 mile road-trips almost entirely, to remote areas with little/no charging infrastructure so long range & fast charging needed, AWD, wagon/CUV body long enough to sleep in stretched out, mass-market priced, long-term ownership so battery longevity of at least 12 years but 15+ preferred, are some of my major requirements), and PHEVs, while able to get me where I want to go, are no more suitable for my needs than a more efficient HEV while using more gas on my typical trip, as well as more expensive and currently too limited in choice. As I don't have any wish to buy another fossil-fueled car, I will keep my current ICE and use it as little and as efficiently as possible until I can switch to a ZEV, while staying aware of developments via this and other EV forums.

Having re-hashed all the above again, I'm puzzled by your continued puzzlement. I don't know how I can explain my situation any more completely, but will make another attempt - BEVs right now are best suited for routine daily driving, and I've been using a ZEV for that for almost two decades, one that weighs 30 lb. rather than 3-6,000 and costs just a fraction of any BEV to both buy and operate, as well as being better for my health and reducing congestion for everyone else. If all the above hasn't answered your questions about why I choose not to buy or lease a PEV yet, feel free to PM me.
 
LeftieBiker said:
Maybe he will consider doing less arguing in the Tesla topics. His news reposts are often worthwhile.
It's those news reposts that GlennD considers spam. But, as he's had me on his ignore list for some time, he's taken the recommended action to avoid wasting his time reading them, which is just what anyone who feels the same should do.

As to eliminating endlessly repeated argument cycles by the same posters, if you did that internet traffic would drop to almost nothing, and then what would happen to advertising revenues? :lol:
 
GRA said:
OT
cwerdna said:
^^^
I'm in no way in favor of banning GRA. That said, I do find it very puzzling he spends so much time here yet still has not leased nor bought an EV or PHEV. :? We've discussed this a bunch of times already some I'm not sure we need to re-"litigate" that.
There isn't any need to re-litigate it, but as I've explained to you numerous times that current BEVs and their infrastructure simply don't meet my requirements for a car yet (400-3,000 mile road-trips almost entirely, to remote areas with little/no charging infrastructure so long range & fast charging needed, AWD, wagon/CUV body long enough to sleep in stretched out, mass-market priced, long-term ownership so battery longevity necessary are some of my major requirements), and PHEVs, while able to get me where I want to go, are no more suitable for my needs than a more efficient HEV while using more gas on my typical trip, as well as more expensive and currently too limited in choice. As I don't have any wish to buy another fossil-fueled car, I will keep my current ICE and use it as little and as efficiently as possible until I can switch to a ZEV, while staying aware of developments via this and other EV forums.

Having re-hashed all the above again, I'm puzzled by your continued puzzlement. I don't know how I can explain my situation any more completely, but will make one more attempt - BEVs right now are best suited for routine daily driving, and I've been using a ZEV for that for almost two decades, one that weighs 30 lb. rather than 3-6,000 and costs just a fraction of any BEV to both buy and operate, as well as being better for my health and reducing congestion for everyone else. If all the above hasn't answered your questions about why I choose not to buy or lease a PEV for now, feel free to PM me.

Let me help- this is the MY Nissan LEAF forum. How many EV and car threads do you post on regularly? How about the Subaru threads? You must type all day long:) Right? I think that is the puzzlement part. I don't think you should be banned off this site but I do however think that there is another other individual here that is close based on their posting history which is very singular in nature and "Ed" like.
 
EVDRIVER said:
Let me help- this is the MY Nissan LEAF forum. Does that give you any direction? How many EV and car threads do you post on regularly? How about the Subaru threads? You must type all day long.. Right?
Why, yes, this is the Mynissanleaf forum, but of course it covers many other topics both LEAF and Non-LEAF related, and I post on numerous topics as well as reposting info from other forums that may be of interest here. While it's no longer the central clearing house for PEV info it once was, for many of us who've been here a while it's still the most common go to, although we often read-post on other EV forums as well.
Let's see, what topics have I made one or more posts in here this week?: ( ) = I started informational topic this week by reposting info from other forums. [ ] = may include info reposted from other forums and/or my own comments.

[TSLA Corporate Outlook]
[Electrify America Network]
(Conway and Korman, The Dentist Skit (R.I.P. Tim))
[Official Tesla Model 3 Thread]
(GCC: DOE: plug-in vehicles in US displaced 323M gallons of gasoline in 2018; ~0.25%)
[Kia Niro BEV]
(GCC: Study finds ride-sharing companies biggest contributors to growing traffic congestion in San Francisco)
(GCC: NOAA study finds little evidence for large increases in total US methane emissions over the past decade)
[Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread]
[Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme]
(GCR: EVgo fast-charge network commits to 100% renewable power)
(GCR: AAA survey finds more optimism over self-driving cars than in EVs)
(IEVS: Passenger Plug-In EV Car Sales In Europe In Q1 2019 By Country)
[AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread]
[Tesla's autopilot, on the road]
(GCC: Study finds ride-sharing companies biggest contributors to growing traffic congestion in San Francisco)

So, that's 16 topics this week, some of which have multiple posts, and besides the one OT topic about Tim Conway all are EV or environmentally related and put in the appropriate sub-forums. 11 I started by reposting info from other sources. As you can see, my interests are catholic. Anyone who finds most of these to be a waste of their time should just do what GlennD did, and "ignore" me. As for how much time I spend doing this, as it's a hobby/interest, I normally limit myself to two or three hours a day within a range of zero to six depending on what else I'm doing.
 
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