wmcbrine
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Illinois Insanity

Fri May 10, 2019 3:37 pm

State Senator Martin Sandoval proposes a $1000 annual tax on EV ownership:

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/illinoi ... ee-on-evs/

Please let him and other legislators know how you feel about this, especially if you're actually in Illinois.

Oilpan4
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Re: Illinois Insanity

Fri May 10, 2019 6:10 pm

My leaf came from Illinois.
They must have wanted to get rid of it knowing the impending lunacy of EV taxing about to drop.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
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Evoforce
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Re: Illinois Insanity

Sat May 11, 2019 2:13 am

wmcbrine wrote:State Senator Martin Sandoval proposes a $1000 annual tax on EV ownership:

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/illinoi ... ee-on-evs/

Please let him and other legislators know how you feel about this, especially if you're actually in Illinois.


Pushed by Auto Dealers Association...
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

jjeff
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Re: Illinois Insanity

Sat May 11, 2019 7:12 am

That is insane! My state is also kind of EV backward, no purchase credits for EVs, no ability to use carpool lanes, etc. and we also have a $75 surcharge for EVs on our tabs. And while $75 might not sound like a lot, I figured it out and figuring our state gas tax, what MPG the Leaf would get if it were a gas burner(I think I figured ~40mpg) it came out to something like 15k miles/year(probably average for people with an ICE??). To us this is way unfair, we generally drive our Leaf <7k miles/year so(as we did our ICEs) so in essence, we're paying 2x the road taxes on our tabs compared to a comparable gas burner :x
I don't have a problem paying my fair share of road taxes but 2x for a vehicle that burns gas....... :roll:
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Oilpan4
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Re: Illinois Insanity

Sat May 11, 2019 7:37 am

Compared to IL I'm good with no credts, deals, incentives, car pool lane access, free money, ect.
I bet any one looking for a leaf can get a sweet deal if they are willing to pay shipping from IL.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
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Evoforce
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Re: Illinois Insanity

Sat May 11, 2019 8:47 pm

Arizona, as of the first of this year, does not have reduced EV registration. Governor wanted more money for Sheriffs dept. Easy money...

We should get breaks, we are not contributing more foul air to the planet. Our type of cars generally cost more new so give us a break...

All we get is $75 for installing a home charger.


Edit: The new higher Registration fee is scheduled to take affect in 2020 and this bill was written and passed by Republicans (by the way).
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*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

GerryAZ
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Re: Illinois Insanity

Sun May 12, 2019 3:52 am

Evoforce wrote:Arizona, as of the first of this year, does not have reduced EV registration. Governor wanted more money for Sheriffs dept. Easy money...

We should get breaks, we are not contributing more foul air to the planet. Our type of cars generally cost more new so give us a break...

All we get is $75 for installing a home charger.


AZ MVD web site still shows reduced vehicle license tax rate for alternative fuel vehicles. Registration fees were increased January 1 for all vehicles by a $32 per year "public safety" fee. Since AZ registration fees are based upon value, this fee is a big increase for owners of older vehicles. It is also a large increase for EVs because the alternative fuel registration fees were low before. Since I have several older vehicles in addition to the Leaf, this fee amounts to a major increase in my total annual registration cost (but nothing like the stupid Illinois tax).
Gerry
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Evoforce
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Re: Illinois Insanity

Mon May 13, 2019 3:33 am

GerryAZ wrote:
Evoforce wrote:Arizona, as of the first of this year, does not have reduced EV registration. Governor wanted more money for Sheriffs dept. Easy money...

We should get breaks, we are not contributing more foul air to the planet. Our type of cars generally cost more new so give us a break...

All we get is $75 for installing a home charger.


AZ MVD web site still shows reduced vehicle license tax rate for alternative fuel vehicles. Registration fees were increased January 1 for all vehicles by a $32 per year "public safety" fee. Since AZ registration fees are based upon value, this fee is a big increase for owners of older vehicles. It is also a large increase for EVs because the alternative fuel registration fees were low before. Since I have several older vehicles in addition to the Leaf, this fee amounts to a major increase in my total annual registration cost (but nothing like the stupid Illinois tax).


There was a bill introduced by a Mesa Republican Bob Worsley and Ducey signed it into law. I believed it was slated for 1/19 but I find it has a later start date of 2020. The bill was to raise registration of EV to same as ICE. DOT had decision to implement or not. I would be surprised if they don't...

Google Bob Worsley AZ EV registration. There is also a good ABC NEWS report on it.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

GerryAZ
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Re: Illinois Insanity

Mon May 13, 2019 7:56 pm

Evoforce,

Wow, the news reports I saw did not list the alternative fuel rate changes. Even the articles I just found (thanks to your post) are ambiguous about when the new rate starts and what vehicles it covers. I was considering a new EV with longer-range battery, but will do some more research to see how much it might cost me (the 2015 Leaf assessed value is a lot lower than a new EV would be). Also, my registration is good through February 2022 so I won't see an increase on my EV registration until then if I keep the Leaf.
Gerry
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Evoforce
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Re: Illinois Insanity

Tue May 14, 2019 2:54 am

GerryAZ wrote:Evoforce,

Wow, the news reports I saw did not list the alternative fuel rate changes. Even the articles I just found (thanks to your post) are ambiguous about when the new rate starts and what vehicles it covers. I was considering a new EV with longer-range battery, but will do some more research to see how much it might cost me (the 2015 Leaf assessed value is a lot lower than a new EV would be). Also, my registration is good through February 2022 so I won't see an increase on my EV registration until then if I keep the Leaf.


We need to fight against it but we are a small minority and they are counting on that we don't have the numbers to fight. Plus it was sneakily put through just like the raise on ICE registration. Of course, there are a ton of ICE owners railing against the ICE increase and some legislators are holding out on passing the State budget because of ICE increases. EV owners appear to not be represented in any fight against this new law as far as I know. I think many are unaware...
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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