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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:52 am

Preview of the next gen smart ED ...

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1105369_2017-smart-fortwo-electric-drive-prototype-first-ride-impressions

EPA-rated range could be as high as 85 miles per charge, the engineers hinted

This compares with about 68 EPA miles per charge on the current one but we already know from people who have reported here, that's on the low side so perhaps we might see closer to 100+ in real world situations.

Nice little indicator light in the charge port ...

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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Tue May 23, 2017 4:00 pm

Via IEVS:
New Smart ED Starts At $16,300 in U.S., After Fed Incentive
http://insideevs.com/new-smart-electric-price-16300/

Similar articles can be found here (GCR):
2017 Smart ForTwo electric cars priced from $24,550
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/111 ... from-24550

Here (GCC):
2017 smart fortwo electric drive offers more for less; starting MSRP $23,800 in US
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2017/05 ... smart.html

And here (ABG):
2017 Smart ForTwo ED is cheaper than its smaller, slower charging predecessor
http://www.autoblog.com/2017/05/22/2017 ... ax-credit/

The $24,550 quoted by GCR includes dest., the others are MSRP.
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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:00 pm

Via IEVS:
With Electric Vehicle Only Approach Looming, Some Smart Dealers Might End Sales
http://insideevs.com/smart-electric-sal ... st-decide/
. . . Mercedes-Benz Dealer Board chairman and owner of two smart dealerships in Texas shared (via Automotive News):

“Electric smart vehicles make sense in certain markets, but don’t make as much sense in other markets. So it might make some sense for some dealers to become service-only dealers.”

EVs don’t sell in Texas like they do in California. Schnitzer continued:

“Drive times and range can make a big difference — it’s not like being in downtown San Francisco. . . .”

Winkler [GRA: Annette Winkler, smart’s global boss] and [GRA: Mercedes-Benz USA CEO Dietmar] Exler expect dealers in San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles, Miami, and Portland to stick with the microcar brand.
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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:14 pm

Both via IEVS:
In Electric Shift, Smart Will Lose 2/3rds Of Its U.S. Dealers
http://insideevs.com/electric-smart-los ... n-dealers/

. . . According to Automotive News, 58 of Smart’s 85 U.S. dealerships will no longer sell the little city car, but they will continue to offer repair services for vehicles already on the road.

You probably won’t be surprised to learn that the 27 Smart dealerships that will keep selling the EV are in states that have signed on to CARB’s zero-emission mandate or cities like New York and Miami that have a green, EV-friendly population ready to zip through the crowded streets in a zero-emission two-seater. . . .


Then, just to make sure they put a stake through the heart of the Smart ED in the U.S:
2017 Smart ED Loses 10 Miles Of Range Compared To Outgoing Model – 58 Miles
http://insideevs.com/2017-smart-ed-loses-range/

Remember the whole 68 miles of electric range that the last generation Smart Fortwo ED got, according to the EPA? Well, say goodbye to ten of those miles, because the 2017 Smart Fortwo ED was just rated at 58 miles.

Unsurprisingly, Smart did not put out a press release about this decrease and the official Twitter feed is silent on the matter, and we learned about it from a reader comment on yesterday’s post about two-thirds of the Smart dealers in the U.S. closing or becoming service-only in the wake of the brand’s shift away from gas models and focusing on electric models only. . . .

The lithium-ion battery capacity has remained the same between the two versions, at 17.6-kWh, so it is likely weight and/or aero related. We’ve asked Daimler representatives about the reasons for this drop, but have not yet heard back. A year ago, there was talk that the new Smart Fortwo ED would get up to 85 miles of range and company materials even said 80 miles was expected, so something either changed or Daimler severely underestimated the impact of the “updates” it was making to the style and powertrain.

The last piece of the puzzle is a glimpse into the expanded fuel economy figures from the EPA website. There, we can see that the 2017 Smart Fortwo ED will have a city range of 63 miles and a highway rating of 51 miles. The interesting bit is the line below, where is says that the “combined range voluntarily lowered from 69 miles.” What this means, exactly, is something we hope the company will address when it responds to our questions. . . .
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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:24 pm

You can buy these essentially brand new for $6,000:

https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-for-s ... ric-drive/

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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:48 pm

The listed EPA range has dropped but I don't know how that can be. It has higher efficiency and the same battery. Doesn't make sense. We have over 12000 km on our cabrio and it is a very fun, quick and agile car to drive. 130 KM in 50 50 combined driving isn't even a stretch. I can't see how the new ones have dropped the range to 94 KM. Wierd.

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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:44 pm

It's almost time to close the Bumblebee chapter - my smart goes back to Mercedes in two weeks. This has been the most fun car I've yet owned. Over the past three years and about 11,000 miles the car's been 100% reliable and has cost me only one set of wiper blades. Max range seems to be unchanged from new, though colder weather seems to pull the range down a bit faster.

This has been my sole car so has done all of the things required by life. While there's plenty of public charging in San Antonio, I've only used it a few times in three years as the 68 miles of EPA range has been enough for trips all over town, as long as they're taken one at a time. One of the highlights was taking friends and their gas cans on post Hurricane Harvey drives to find a station that had gas.

There were plenty of trips to school, to the rifle range, doctor appointments, and home improvement stores. I learned that one can carry a full size table saw in the back as long as the tailgate stays down. ;)

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The only shooting concession was breaking the AR-10 and putting it into a case for range trips. I never did take the Kentucky long rifle to the range. :lol:
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The massive ice storm of 2016...
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...was followed by the blizzard of 2017. We will rebuild. :lol:
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She's been down to 0% charge a dozen or so times now yet still got me to a place to charge even if it was at 15 MPH for the last couple of miles. And even if the charger was ICEd and pottied...because Texas...

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She's been a great car and a ton of fun. Happy trails, Bumblebee.
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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:27 pm

We’re taking another look at the latest Smart Fortwo (available now ONLY as an EV in the US from here on out) as the lease rates are so low at $139/mo that it may replace my wife’s ‘14 smart cabrio. If we end up with one we’ll be sure to post it here - she has a quite short work commute (7 mile round trip) so a local commuter EV at this price point could make a lot of sense. Anyone else opt for a 2nd gen smart ED (of course the latest has dropped the ED moniker and have a simple ‘electric drive’ script on the front and no plug outline on the Tridion frame anymore but I digress). Smart cars aren’t for everyone but do still fit a niche - this would be our 3rd and could actually be the best one, we’ll see ...
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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:47 pm

redLEAF wrote:We’re taking another look at the latest Smart Fortwo (available now ONLY as an EV in the US from here on out) as the lease rates are so low at $139/mo that it may replace my wife’s ‘14 smart cabrio. If we end up with one we’ll be sure to post it here - she has a quite short work commute (7 mile round trip) so a local commuter EV at this price point could make a lot of sense. Anyone else opt for a 2nd gen smart ED (of course the latest has dropped the ED moniker and have a simple ‘electric drive’ script on the front and no plug outline on the Tridion frame anymore but I digress). Smart cars aren’t for everyone but do still fit a niche - this would be our 3rd and could actually be the best one, we’ll see ...

IDK what the route, traffic and general safety conditions are like on your wife's commute, but 7 miles RT is ideal for a bike commute. Granted, it's not great in winter in your area, but there are e-trikes with enclosed cockpits. Not thinking a bike or pedelec is a likely choice for her, but thought I'd throw it out there just in case it hadn't occurred to either of you. Most people have become so trained to think that personal commute vehicle = car that other options never occur to them. I do remember the woman here a long while back who announced she'd just gotten a LEAF for her one mile (2 RT) commute, and I've always wondered if she fell into that category.
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Re: Official smart fortwo electric drive thread

Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:10 am

GRA wrote:
redLEAF wrote:We’re taking another look at the latest Smart Fortwo (available now ONLY as an EV in the US from here on out) as the lease rates are so low at $139/mo that it may replace my wife’s ‘14 smart cabrio. If we end up with one we’ll be sure to post it here - she has a quite short work commute (7 mile round trip) so a local commuter EV at this price point could make a lot of sense. Anyone else opt for a 2nd gen smart ED (of course the latest has dropped the ED moniker and have a simple ‘electric drive’ script on the front and no plug outline on the Tridion frame anymore but I digress). Smart cars aren’t for everyone but do still fit a niche - this would be our 3rd and could actually be the best one, we’ll see ...

IDK what the route, traffic and general safety conditions are like on your wife's commute, but 7 miles RT is ideal for a bike commute. Granted, it's not great in winter in your area, but there are e-trikes with enclosed cockpits. Not thinking a bike or pedelec is a likely choice for her, but thought I'd throw it out there just in case it hadn't occurred to either of you. Most people have become so trained to think that personal commute vehicle = car that other options never occur to them. I do remember the woman here a long while back who announced she'd just gotten a LEAF for her one mile (2 RT) commute, and I've always wondered if she fell into that category.


Haven't been through any REALLY cold weather 'eh? ... let me know how that would work for you -- not really an option plus we're in the 'burbs so some roads have a decent space for bike traffic and/or sidewalks and some do not; not really all that safe. Unlike one of my sons cities (Nashua, NH) our 'burb is not very 'walkable' or designed with bike paths its really car dependent --- plus, if her work commute was all she needed to do on a daily basis and not go shopping, etc. maybe we might consider it for 3-seasons -- in any case, we ended up doing a 3-year single payment lease using the '14 smart against it -- opted for the lowest mileage (7,500/yr). They had a very nice 10th Anniversary Sapphire blue metallic coupe that was indeed a whole generation+ better than either of the two prior smarts we owned -- its wider (more elbow room), smoother over bumps (wider tires all around) and much more seamless (single speed EV) to drive plus as we're about to have a solar panel system installed on our house will soon cost nothing to run. Links below to photos f the model we're leasing:

https://cms.kelleybluebookimages.com/content/dam/kbb-editorial/auto-shows/detroit/2018/2019-smart-electric-drive-kbb/01-2019-Smart-Electric-Drive-NAIAS-KBB.JPG

https://cms.kelleybluebookimages.com/content/dam/kbb-editorial/auto-shows/detroit/2018/2019-smart-electric-drive-kbb/02-2019-Smart-Electric-Drive-NAIAS-KBB.JPG

I'm taking it to work today to see how it does on my own 50+ mile commute; we've seen an indicated 83 mile range so we'll see how it does
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