I had the battery replaced and drove the car home today 48 miles at 65-70 MPH. Still had 55 miles on the guessometer. So far I am pleased with Greentec's work. Did have to replace the water pump and they installed one from Nissan for $495.00. Total cost $9,495 + tax. So far I'm pleased with the change. Has 88%SOH. As soon as I figure out how to send a screenshot from Leafspy Pro, I will post. Does have a 36 month warranty so we will see where it goes. Certainly improvement over the 25 mile range the car had previously.
40 kWh Battery Upgrade 2012 Leaf SV Greentec Auto
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I just ordered a 40kWh battery replacement upgrade from GreenTec for my 2011 Leaf, replacing the 24kWh "lizard" battery, which currently shows a range of 26 miles with 126,000 miles on the odometer. The installed price will be $9,000, including tax and installation.
I had recently invested in new tires, shocks, and a 12V battery for the vehicle, in addition to the like-new leather interior and imitation woodgrain dash that were installed when it was new. The paint also looks great, so it made sense to me to extend its life.
The offered trade-in value was an insulting $600—the same as the offers from junkyards!
I’m hoping to get five years of use out of it, considering my driving habits and limited usage. After that, I plan to look for a replacement vehicle with Full Self-Driving capability and a solid-state battery, which I believe will be readily available by then.
I had recently invested in new tires, shocks, and a 12V battery for the vehicle, in addition to the like-new leather interior and imitation woodgrain dash that were installed when it was new. The paint also looks great, so it made sense to me to extend its life.
The offered trade-in value was an insulting $600—the same as the offers from junkyards!
I’m hoping to get five years of use out of it, considering my driving habits and limited usage. After that, I plan to look for a replacement vehicle with Full Self-Driving capability and a solid-state battery, which I believe will be readily available by then.
Year? Battery size? Location?
Gee, $10,000 investment. Isn't that getting pretty close to what it would cost to buy a used 2nd generation 40 kwh LEAF?
Not everybody considers things like cars as throw-a-way. His car, by description is not anywhere near run out.
Before buying my Leaf, my daily car was 23 years old, I still have it.
My next newest vehicle is 40 years old, and I just put a used transmission and a new timing chain plus rod bearings in it.
Both will give many more years of service. My oldest is 83 years old and can still move a load. (truck)
I bought the Leaf not because it was a good "investment", vehicle are a bad investment, always loosing value. I bought so I could fuel at home, try the new electrics and learn about them, and also give my wife the newer and more safe tech found on cars not 24 years old. The car it replaced didn't have ABS, and after 24 years I have no faith in the air bags.
The 40 year old car has no ABS or air bags.
A Green-tec used battery or a LRN new battery, the old cells are turned in and used for less demanding electrical storage.
Those that trade off aren't reducing their carbon foot print, those that hold or buy used and hold are.
There is a lot to be said for holding on to something that you know the history and what it needs rather than throwing out and buying new or used where you don't know the history and/or condition.
A car is rarely purchased on the economics alone, although few would be willing to admit it.
Cars that I have got rid of, mostly because of rust, or a major flaw that is difficult to over come. I had one that cracked heads, every 100,000 mi or so and the only permanent fix would be a re-designed head being cast. That and the rust problem sent it down the road. I loved the ride and comfort, but it was not fixable for the long term.
I know I am in the minority, otherwise the LRN would be doing a booming business. If not directly from retail customers or by purchasing the used trades and reconditioning.
Before buying my Leaf, my daily car was 23 years old, I still have it.
My next newest vehicle is 40 years old, and I just put a used transmission and a new timing chain plus rod bearings in it.
Both will give many more years of service. My oldest is 83 years old and can still move a load. (truck)
I bought the Leaf not because it was a good "investment", vehicle are a bad investment, always loosing value. I bought so I could fuel at home, try the new electrics and learn about them, and also give my wife the newer and more safe tech found on cars not 24 years old. The car it replaced didn't have ABS, and after 24 years I have no faith in the air bags.
The 40 year old car has no ABS or air bags.
A Green-tec used battery or a LRN new battery, the old cells are turned in and used for less demanding electrical storage.
Those that trade off aren't reducing their carbon foot print, those that hold or buy used and hold are.
There is a lot to be said for holding on to something that you know the history and what it needs rather than throwing out and buying new or used where you don't know the history and/or condition.
A car is rarely purchased on the economics alone, although few would be willing to admit it.
Cars that I have got rid of, mostly because of rust, or a major flaw that is difficult to over come. I had one that cracked heads, every 100,000 mi or so and the only permanent fix would be a re-designed head being cast. That and the rust problem sent it down the road. I loved the ride and comfort, but it was not fixable for the long term.
I know I am in the minority, otherwise the LRN would be doing a booming business. If not directly from retail customers or by purchasing the used trades and reconditioning.
My car is a 2012 SV with 60k miles. Battery is 40kWh. I'm getting a 140 mile range. The Greentec office I used is in Salt lake City, Ut.
When I was looking in my area the cheapest low mileage (under 100k) was $16,000. The car I have is a know quantity SV version in immaculate condition. (other than battery) I also have a 36 month warranty with local support. I agree that it comes down to the individual buyer and their risk assessment for each car on upgrade vs replace.
I obviously have the same mentality. A new car has no extra value for me. I have a 2003 Truck which I will keep until it can't be repaired. My Leaf is also for my wife and I wanted her to have a modern reliable car and she rarely drives more than 50 miles each day. I think the used EV/refurb market will continue to grow as battery technology gets better/cheaper. I might even consider an old VW beetle converted to EV...
I certainly agree. But that is somewhat different than saying that an EV with a higher capacity battery (40 kwh vs 24 kwh) and a higher SOH have no extra value.
I should clarify... An EV newer than mine with a 40kWh battery has no more value than an upgrade to my current vehicle to a 40kWh battery with other factors being equal. If the newer car had updated features I wanted then it would certainly increase the value to me.
Again, I would agree, if all other factors were equal - but they are not. A '12 LEAF is not the equivalent of a '19 or '20 2nd generation LEAF. The used battery swapped into a '12 LEAF is often not the equivalent of the pack in a low mileage late model LEAF. And the 60/62 kwh pack adds a whole different dimension to the discussion. I say this not to talk you into or out of anything, but to display my thought process when I swapped my '16 S (30 kwh) with about 10 bars for a '19 SL+ with 12 bars and a SOH above 90 a year ago. In the end, of course, it comes down to personal preferences and value judgements. I trust each of us will be well served by our choices.
I have purchase only two new vehicles in my life and unlikely to get another.
Both times I spec'd them out to my liking, and both time I was admonished that they would be "hard to sell" when the time came.
In both cases my response was "the scrap man pays the same regardless" and it was true, by the time I was done, how the vehicle was spec'd made no difference in selling price!
One was a car, the other a semi trailer.
Both times I spec'd them out to my liking, and both time I was admonished that they would be "hard to sell" when the time came.
In both cases my response was "the scrap man pays the same regardless" and it was true, by the time I was done, how the vehicle was spec'd made no difference in selling price!
One was a car, the other a semi trailer.
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