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Likewise in Washington…all told $300 a year. Not to mention super high insurance cost ostensibly because of higher repair costs. I am a convert to mileage based charges for both!
I would love mileage based charges, but it’s difficult to enforce. I’m not sure how this one will come out.

The repair costs are lower UNLESS the battery gets hit, in which case they are MUCH higher. Insurance companies deal with the rule of large numbers a lot. If the repair costs are higher the insurance companies will have pretty accurate data. They’re heavily regulated. If they collect too much money for the claims made they actually have to give it back. This very rarely happens with cars simply because the data is THAT accurate. It does occasionally happen with home insurance though because predicting the weather is hard.
 
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One has to be careful on what they are comparing when it comes to repair cost. Comparing a newer Leaf to the car you before, may not be a fair comparison.
LED headlight on a Leaf is notoriously expensive, especially when compared to the replacement for my 2000 Camry (about $45). But that is an apples to oranges comparison. Compared to other late model LED headlight vehicles will show they all are ridicules.
A used drivetrain (motor/reduction gear and PDM) when compared to the same on a late model ICE drivetrain, the Leaf will likely be cheaper.
 
One has to be careful on what they are comparing when it comes to repair cost. Comparing a newer Leaf to the car you before, may not be a fair comparison.
LED headlight on a Leaf is notoriously expensive, especially when compared to the replacement for my 2000 Camry (about $45). But that is an apples to oranges comparison. Compared to other late model LED headlight vehicles will show they all are ridicules.
A used drivetrain (motor/reduction gear and PDM) when compared to the same on a late model ICE drivetrain, the Leaf will likely be cheaper.
I didn’t know about the headlights. That is going to be a major factor as well.
 
Umm… literally everything? Climate change denial has been ridiculous for many years now. It was even kind of dumb back in the seventies when we knew it was happening but didn’t know if the world was going to get warmer or colder.
Oh I know. Their opinion is arrived at irrationally, so evidence, facts and reason are useless. They don't understand that, though.
 
PA has also raised it to $200 now, going to $250 next year! So I am paying about $0.05 a mile. This is equivalent to $2 a gallon tax for a 40 mpg vehicle. Gasoline gets a $0.58/gallon tax in PA.

Its blatantly unfair. Time will tell if this country can get back to principles of fairness and other good things like decency and honesty.

Where is retirement going to be? Asking for a friend.
My alternative fuel tax is going from about $50 a year to $200, then $250. Same car, same mileage. Fairness would dictate putting all cars under the same fee system - consumption-based, or, annual fee-based. Our legislature can't do math and are in the pocket of fossil fuel companies, so there is a war on EV's here.
 
But change the global thermostat is hubris.

That is, however, what we are doing.


Here is a practical problem that might help you to understand.

Suppose we launch a satellite into orbit.

The stuff in the satellite needs to be in the working temperature range. Batteries, electronics and such what all will fail if too hot or too cold.



How can I design a satellite so that the temperature of the satellite stays in range?
 
Oh I know. Their opinion is arrived at irrationally, so evidence, facts and reason are useless. They don't understand that, though.
Actually basically all the facts and reason is on the side of climate change happening and being catastrophic. The oil and plastics companies fought it (and are still fighting it) tooth and nail though. And they have a lot of money.

If you’re old enough and American you may remember the “crying Indian” commercials from the seventies. Those weren’t actually PSAs, though they pretended to be. They were made and paid for BY the plastics industry because they were mostly responsible for the litter problem and they wanted to convince the public they weren’t and that it was the public’s fault, not theirs.
 
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Actually basically all the facts and reason is on the side of climate change happening and being catastrophic. The oil and plastics companies fought it (and are still fighting its) tooth and nail though. And they have a lot of money.

If you’re old enough American you may remember the “crying Indian” commercials from the seventies. Those weren’t actually PSAs. They were made and paid for BY the plastics industry because they were mostly responsible for the litter problem and they wanted to convince the public they weren’t and it was the public’s fault.
I'm excruciatingly aware of the Big Carbon campaign against climate science and climate scientists.
I remember those ads well. What they did is akin to what the car industry did against pedestrians - crossing the street became an offense. The real problem is jaywalkers, not car-exclusive transport infrastructure, according to the automakers.
 
It's actually quite easy(IMO) to figure out how fair an "EV tax" is. In my case I compared the Leaf to a similar-sized Nissan Versa, which I figured would get around 30mpg average and just burns gas.
Take how many miles you drive in a year, divide it by 30(the MPG of a Versa) and that will give you the total number of gallons you purchase in a year for said vehicle. In my case we drove our Leafs about 5000 miles each. So 5000/30=167 gallons of gas purchased per year. In my state our gas tax is 28.5c/gal for a total "road tax" of $47.5/year. In my state the EV tax is $75 so my reward for purchasing a clean burning EV is a tax penalty of paying 50% more tax/year than a similar gas-powered vehicle. It would be even more unfair in states that have a $100 or even $200 EV tax.
Now if you are comparing something like a large truck that gets 12mpg, you'll get different numbers but I'm comparing apples to apples. Also note if you have an EV that can drive 200+ miles(and you regularly do this) and put on double the mileage/year than we do, the EV tax might not be as unfair. In my state, the VAST majority of road upkeep and repairs is paid for by our general tax and not the puny gas tax. Honestly, I think they should put a $1/gallon or more tax on gas, like in Europe where their gas tax actually helps pay for a majority of the road repairs but that would never fly here but apparently raising the "EV tax" is easy to do......
 
I'm excruciatingly aware of the Big Carbon campaign against climate science and climate scientists.
I remember those ads well. What they did is akin to what the car industry did against pedestrians - crossing the street became an offense. The real problem is jaywalkers, not car-exclusive transport infrastructure, according to the automakers.
I still don’t know the meaning or etymology of “jay” in that instance. All I know is that it was considered offensive when the term came out.
 
It's actually quite easy(IMO) to figure out how fair an "EV tax" is. In my case I compared the Leaf to a similar-sized Nissan Versa, which I figured would get around 30mpg average and just burns gas.
Take how many miles you drive in a year, divide it by 30(the MPG of a Versa) and that will give you the total number of gallons you purchase in a year for said vehicle. In my case we drove our Leafs about 5000 miles each. So 5000/30=167 gallons of gas purchased per year. In my state our gas tax is 28.5c/gal for a total "road tax" of $47.5/year. In my state the EV tax is $75 so my reward for purchasing a clean burning EV is a tax penalty of paying 50% more tax/year than a similar gas-powered vehicle. It would be even more unfair in states that have a $100 or even $200 EV tax.
Now if you are comparing something like a large truck that gets 12mpg, you'll get different numbers but I'm comparing apples to apples. Also note if you have an EV that can drive 200+ miles(and you regularly do this) and put on double the mileage/year than we do, the EV tax might not be as unfair. In my state, the VAST majority of road upkeep and repairs is paid for by our general tax and not the puny gas tax. Honestly, I think they should put a $1/gallon or more tax on gas, like in Europe where their gas tax actually helps pay for a majority of the road repairs but that would never fly here but apparently raising the "EV tax" is easy to do......
5000 miles may be low though. Also 30mpg may be high. My car isn’t just quicker than a GTI, it’s noticeably quicker. There’s gonna be some kind of national average. If it’s lower than average though (like mine is) it makes one a fan of mileage based tax. Still doesn’t solve the electric hummer issue though.
 
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As the EV taxes discussed are state based I didn't take the national gas tax into my consideration. If they ever wanted to initiate a national EV tax then it would matter what the national gas tax is. Best to keep it simple on figuring out how fair a state EV tax is, compare state EV tax to state gas tax and in that case I think you'll find almost all EV taxes are way overpriced for the average EV driver.
 
That the federal gas tax is a puny 18.4 cents/gallon and hasn't changed since 1993 gives an indication of just how much power the carbon lobby has.
It is also easy to notice any increase at the pump, a once a year registration fee, by the time you notice they have raised it, too late to do anything about it.
 
Could be worse - have heard some states were considering a much higher EV surcharge based on tracking and/or reporting back your annual miles driven -- for those who don't drive a lot perhaps doesn't amount to much but don't like the fact that they would be 'tracking' you if that came to be, more government monitoring. Here in IL it's a $100/year surcharge on top of whatever the ICE equivalent registration fee, interestingly enough, the Tesla Cybertruck is classified a a 'C' truck (heavier than a standard pick-up due to the batteries) so it gets Truck class 'C' plates. Electric rates aren't terrible with ComEd but we have solar which basically allows us to fill up for free. Early on IL had a $35/EV every 2 year reg' fee but those days have long since past.
 
Likewise in Washington…all told $300 a year. Not to mention super high insurance cost ostensibly because of higher repair costs. I am a convert to mileage based charges for both!
I live in New Zealand, where the government is now charging "Road Use Charges" to all EVs. Just purchased 2000km worth of these for $164.44 (USD 98.43). Comes down to approx. USD 0.08/mile. I don't drive this car a lot per year, thankfully. For example that would amount to nearly US$ 800 for driving 10,000 miles a year. That's on top of annual registration fees that aren't exactly cheap either. On the positive side, the roads here are well maintained compared to my native Seattle area ones.
 
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