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I'm out, but all the comments prove my point. Climate Hysteria is real, it's a social pathogen, mass psychosis. I am being attacked. Why? Did I hurt your "feelings". I have a Master's in Engineering and weather is key in my job as an international pilot. I know "climate" well and science. When anyone speaks against climate hysteria, they are attacked, "conspiracy theory", myth, they are paid by oil companies... "conservative ahhhh, not zee". Tired of it and so is the country based on last election clearly. It really you not them. Look into the mirror and check yourself.



Time to get back to common sense, rational, fact based, truth, freedom of speech and policies that make us safer, wealthier and free of Gov over reach. Climate zealots are in a cult. Last election shows ppl are tired of the lies and intimidating tactics. Let's make climate policies on logic and not fear and authoritarian Gov force. Love EV's but not for everyone and with current technology, unsustainable resources of rare earth materials, antique overloaded electrical infrastructure it's not ready for prime time. No solar and wind alone is not the answer. It will put us into darkness and bankrupt us. Its NOT PRACTICAL. Trust me I AM THE EXPERT (ha ha it works for Gov, Media thought I try it).



"Reputable Climate Scientist". That is a non sequitur, logical fallacy, called appeal to authority. You don't say who the scientist is? What they found, data, how the got the data, and have any other scientist counter research and review, which there is plenty of I am sure. It is garbage arguments that is "Scientisem". It's a cult. Scientists who don't belong to the cult are silenced, don't get Gov grants, or tenure if they are a Professor. Are the scientist who tell you climate is a crisis because "science" who say we are dead in 12 yrs the same ones who say overly obvious non scientific rhetoric on biological facts? Most of the kunk science is propaganda from Media and politicians who are not bright. I DO NOT TRUST OR BELIEVE THEM. The people who prove to be reliable and show research with data ( without manipulation or obfiscation) I trust more.

We need to accept we are not in control fully of Climate OR KNOW ALL THE FACTS. The sun, planets and earth itself are in control. We are passengers anshould d be good stewards and not go insane. If MAN made is the problem, stop reproduction of humans and MAN MADE things. It will be fixed in 100 years. Negative population growth and live like it's 1699 until pesky man is gone. Some want that for real. They just don't say it. They are cultist and running things.



The media 24/7/365 spreads propaganda, misleading information or outright lies with great prejudicial bias, or they lie by omission, not giving you all the facts, reporting selectively, taking sentences out of context.

You MUST support 100% man-made climate change and we are in a crisis or you are wrong and will be punished. Be AFRAID and to save yourself vote for me, do it or else, drive EV's, eat bugs, stop eating beef with other authoritarian attacks on freedom. That is No!

Remember vaccines? Take them or you're fired. Turns out not that effective, did not stop spread, and health side effects. Mostly ppl over 65 or obsessed, co-morbidity died. Young almost immune especially kids. Young mern who took vaccine in their teens, 20's, 30's years of age getting myocarditis and having heart attacks in their 20's and 30's at increased rate. Whoops. A female friend had major known side effect of vaccine affecting immune system. It was was all but covered up in media with origin of bat stew flu. Lies. As a pilot I get EKG tests, every year. FAA medical branch changed the standards the Aero Med doctors can accept (lower). It effected hearts especially male hearts. Yep men and woman are different dispite what you are ordered to belive. Why is that?



Elon? He is great, genius, visionary not evil. In fact he is on a board with Vivek Ramaswamy (sp) to reduce waste in government It's the dems who persecuted Elon and now use Gov to do so. He agreed yesterday Gov should stop subsidizing EV sales with $7500 free money (tax payer money). HE is going to lose money. No political or donor class, Plutocrats who are 1/4th of one percent would do that. They operate in self interest not the interest of the people. not Elon.



This subsidizing of EV's is given to ppl to buy EV's that does little to nothing for environment Is a waste. Put the money in nuclear pwr plants. Electrical grid modernization and expansion. A trillions in debt yet we give money to ppl rich enough to buy a new Cyber Truck? Elon is going to lose business. YET HE SUPPORTS IT. I AM A FAN. TESLA, GREAT, BUY ONE IF YOU LIKE ON YOUR OWN DIME. Others EV's don't work for them. My LEAF is a luxury, a second car. I'm not virtuous or saving planet with my EV. I have it because it works for me. Plus it's cool and wanted it. LOVE MY EV BUT ITS NOT A RELIGION.



Elon pointed out when he started Tesla there was no subsidizing and gas was cheap, and yet they still did business. DREE MARKET. He left "the liberals".L who excommunicated him from the cult. Elon has principles. The illogical ideology and wishful thinking of left drove him out. Free speech? Yep he is for 1st amendment. Left? No because their "ideas" can not survive in light of day in fair open debate with facts. They need propaganda and total control of information. What facts do you all bring? Typical ad hominems and can't muster facts, which means you lost the debate. Saying SCIENCE or SCIENTIST really loud is not a fact or science. It is the polirics of "Scientisem". Seems like butter but it's artificial made up garbage.



Everything I said is true and in good faith. IF I AM WRONG BRING FACTS, DATA OBSERVABLE Phenomenon, MATH, Repeatable experiments. Anything is debatable. Calling me names is an automatic fail for you, you lose.



That is what happend Nov 5. Country mandate and repudition of zealots of all kinds running the Gov. Not doing the peoples will, calling them names and tyranny will result in a real revolution. Climate zealots can not be talked to, all facts are met with denial and name calling. All they have is, speculation, wildly extrapolated data, wistful and wishful thinking of doom, lying with a side of threats and silencing of free speach. It is a cult. Stop it. You are "a threat to democracy" as they say. De-program yourself, stop hating anyone who disagrees with you and the hive mind. Be truly a critical independent thinker who educates theirself and is not partisan. If you belive legacy media, get your "news" from "The View", late night talk shows, Sat night live, Hollywood movies, MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC only, you are in a bubble of brainwashing propaganda. Some Podcast turns out to be a more reliable unfiltered source of debate and info. I watch all the legacy media time to time to check it out. I discovered they lost thier minds. No pretending fair unbiased journalist anymore. They are advocates and lie lie lie lie and cheat. They are not to be trusted.

The media HATES people, who disagree or agree. The latter are ppl they manipulateand have no respect for them, you. Ones that get in the way are enemies. They think half the country is dumb or worse, garbage and are all *-phobes and *-ists. They don't debate but show hubaris, hypocrisy, intolerance, virtue signaling while saying they are enlightened and so very right, no self awareness. People are figuring this out. Red pill. Join the club. No one has a monopoly on good ideas, but forcing your bad ones on ppl will result in what we just witnessed.


Climate has been changing before recorded history. Climate is cyclic and happens in 10's, 100's, 1000' of thousands of years. Looking at weather trends since 1970 (totally deceptive) to now, with wildly inaccurate radical predictions of the future tacked FUELING HYSTERIA. How many times do they have to be REALLY wrong for you to realize they are lying or can't predict future climate or both?

This phenomenon of Climate Hysteria is psychological mass psychosis and humans are easily fooled. The Media is doing us no favor. The Gov is not either. Please give our future "dictator" and his band of smart articulate outsiders a chance and stop being " the resistance", "by any means" to progress and success. It's OK to be happy, wealthy, safe, and secure and most of all FREEDOM FOR ALL, even straight white Christian men. Get Gov out of our pockets and life. Make Gov smaller and more efficient. Who does not want that? OH OH MR CARTER..I KNOW. The Gov and Gov employees don't. It'sa massive grift. There is at minimum over 1/2 trillion in fraud a year, some say double, waste in Gov. How many nuclear plants can we build, new bridges with that waste. Hey idea LOWER TAXES. They should do our "The Peoples" will. 30% of Gov could be gone and have no effect. Some still "Working from home". Fraud. Billions given to non-profits organized recently in the last months of this administration. Al Sharpton and his non profit got $500,000 from a recent campaign. For what? His non-profit is under investigation by IRS (which will do nothing because of his political ans social agenda). The afore mentioned campaign had ONE BILLION in funds and came out in the red $250,000,000. Ha ha yeah I want them running the Gov? Celebrities and Rich people (Oprah) made out like bandits. Turns out people paid attention. Doha!

The People have spoken. Accept it and participate or get out of the way. Live your life and stop telling me what to do. Stop telling me what to believe and how biology works. Stop making jobs a work program and get back to meritocracy, especially in critical jobs, military, airlines, medicin. Division and chaos us coming from ones who call half of Americans "garbage" and "basket full of deplorables". Hypocritical to say the least. Stop it. "Give peace a chance".

Let's start winning again and stop tearing down America for internal and global special interest. Let free market, meritocracy come back. Rule of law and equal justiceto all. It is OUR country not the Media, Gov or Hollywood. Pay attention and stop being lemmings blindly following the crowd with dangerous consequences. Stop being self destructive and hating your country, half of the citizens while worshipping a political party, and tiny minorities at the expense of all others. Climate hysteria is based on junk science, obfiscation, propaganda. The real truth is we know little and mixed and contradicting facts are inconclusive. Enter in opinion and politics.

POLITICS has perverted science beyound all belief. Gov officials saying "I AM THE SCIENCE." Every read the Bible? (I know attacks against Christianity coming, don't care.) When Jesus was asked who are you. The reply "I AM." When a Gov official (highest paid person in Gov, not elected,, entrenched, 40 yrs, hid funding Wuhan lab, lied to congress) said "I AM THE SCIENCE l" I jnew what kind of person this is. (Note: Jesus Christ a real historical figure and Bible best selling most translated book in history 2nd to none. Bible is regarded by theologians and secular scholars aluke to embody historically accurate facts, salient philosophy and wisdom that is timeless and describes the human condition. The transcendental parts are by Faith Alone. There are parts that address your anxiety about climate which will give you perspective.)

Belong to church of Climate hysteria will make you, your kids unwell and depressed. Do NOT put faith in Gov, Media, or so called Scientist making it up on the pure authority of I'm a scientist, e g., " I'm the science" Run away. They are deceivers.

The People scaring our kids to point of depression and changing their genders, are narcissistic and believe they are God. They know more and are infallible (hypocrites). Stop believing them and their state media. Use common sense, think, use all available facts, be humble, admit what you don't know. Be loving and kind to those you disagree and talk to them not cancel. We'll all be the bettrer for it.

Weather changes and nothing observed is way out of historical presidnce. I do think like an engineer and follow Newton mechanics. For a reaction, there's an opposite and equal reaction. An object will remain in motion unless acted upon by other forces. F=ma. So humans are here. They must have some effect. My opinion is not as great may be 1% or 2% on climate may be 5%. 100%? No. Second if man did not exist would the earth cool down? So the answer is less population? Live like it was the 1699 when no one drove cars and global population was a fraction of today's level. Will temps change. Yes. Scientist think 1/2 to 1 degree. Is that better? OK stop reproducing abs live like a cave person. Actually if this happened people would burn wood, very dirty and take trees away that make O2 from CO2. It would change nothing.

BTW what is Ideal Temp? Ideal CO2 % in Atmosphere? No one knows and it has and will continue to change mankind or not. The Earth, Sun, Planets set in motion for "reasons" we don't understand fully and can't control. Mean time Do conservative, recycle (or keep driving that 2004 Civic, Accord, Lexus to 300,000 or 400,000 miles verses buying a new car every 3 or 5 years).

How about don't drive, walk, bicycle. Do not throw trash on ground or sea. Do not poison Earth with things that harm humans, animals and plants (including wind turbines that kill birds and Wales when placed in water that are expensive as the electricity they make, and life limited taking huge "cabon foir print" to make and tear down, and only produce pwr when wind blows but have to shut down in high wind or ice storms).

There Is No Free Lunch. No panacea of solutions to control Climate, but conserve, don't waste, don't poison Earth, and plant more trees. THIS WE CAN DO AND COST NOTHING AND MAKES NO ONE RICH WHICH IS WHY NONE OF THE PRIVATE JET FLYING YACHT SAILING ELITE plutacrates/globalist AND THEIR MEDIA PUSH IT. Don't be a "useful idiot", i.e., sucker. "Green energy" is big business and ppl get rich off it. No kidding. We will get poorer.
Damn I forgot the popcorn so...Who wants Ice cream?
 
Funny you say that I've owned 5 Priuses over the years(Great cars) and I paid an extra $150.00 for title transfer on each one and an additional $75.00 a year in license fees for each one, but I do live in Seattle where all the techie employees who live in slum town I mean down town don't even own cars and always vote to raise taxes on every chance they get being they make really good wages unlike us engineers and Boeing workers. I called our department of license and asked about all 14 fees on my latest vehicle registration and they could only tell me what 9 of them were as they too were clueless as to what the other fees were for and they couldn't figure out who to send me too to get correct answers from! Wonderful just Wonderful!
Colorado has TABOR (Taxpayer Bill of Rights) but the legislature evades that by calling taxes "fees". There are 8 "fees" on my old registration, out of 17 items. "Clerk Hire Fee, $4.00"? Really?
 
Funny you say that I've owned 5 Priuses over the years(Great cars) and I paid an extra $150.00 for title transfer on each one and an additional $75.00 a year in license fees for each one, but I do live in Seattle where all the techie employees who live in slum town I mean down town don't even own cars and always vote to raise taxes on every chance they get being they make really good wages unlike us engineers and Boeing workers. I called our department of license and asked about all 14 fees on my latest vehicle registration and they could only tell me what 9 of them were as they too were clueless as to what the other fees were for and they couldn't figure out who to send me too to get correct answers from! Wonderful just Wonderful!
Wow, taxing a fuel efficient regular Prius, that's bad! almost like they want to encourage inefficient vehicles and penalize cleaner efficient ones. I'm also not found of taxing PHEVs extra as I've read many times how few actually plug them in on a regular basis and in the case of our PHEV, probably half it's miles are beyond it's EV range so we do end up purchasing fuel on a regular basis as well as electricity daily.
Look, if my state comes up with a PHEV or worse yet regular Hybrid tax I'm not talking about going back to an inefficient ICE but rather the most efficient ICE I can find and like. I was regularly getting 40-50 MPG ICE vehicles for the last 30 years and close to 40 MPG highway before that but really liked our Hybrid Prius for MPG and reliability and EVs and PHEVs after that but if our taxing wants to encourage us away from something with a battery I just may end up stepping back in time and going ICE only. I mean at some point when we go back to not driving all that much, 4-5k/year it won't make financial sense to pay the extra taxes vs just a fuel-efficient ICE.
I used to care more about the environment and my footprint but as the latest election proved, if most people don't care.......I can't save the world :(
 
Wow, taxing a fuel efficient regular Prius, that's bad! almost like they want to encourage inefficient vehicles and penalize cleaner efficient ones. I'm also not found of taxing PHEVs extra as I've read many times how few actually plug them in on a regular basis and in the case of our PHEV, probably half it's miles are beyond it's EV range so we do end up purchasing fuel on a regular basis as well as electricity daily.
Look, if my state comes up with a PHEV or worse yet regular Hybrid tax I'm not talking about going back to an inefficient ICE but rather the most efficient ICE I can find and like. I was regularly getting 40-50 MPG ICE vehicles for the last 30 years and close to 40 MPG highway before that but really liked our Hybrid Prius for MPG and reliability and EVs and PHEVs after that but if our taxing wants to encourage us away from something with a battery I just may end up stepping back in time and going ICE only. I mean at some point when we go back to not driving all that much, 4-5k/year it won't make financial sense to pay the extra taxes vs just a fuel-efficient ICE.
I used to care more about the environment and my footprint but as the latest election proved, if most people don't care.......I can't save the world :(
True! But we can't give up for our children's sake! One thing I will tell you with all the Prius's I've owned when they get above 150K miles its time to kick them to the curb like you would a Yugo...Being the issues that popup after 150K are each in the many thousands I had one with 152K and it needed a 4500 ABS brake pump and module that is so expensive its Toyota's way of saying out with the old...get a new one.. Yet you hear of Taxi owner's with them that have gone over 1/2 million miles with no issues at all! Go figure!
 
True! But we can't give up for our children's sake! One thing I will tell you with all the Prius's I've owned when they get above 150K miles its time to kick them to the curb like you would a Yugo...Being the issues that popup after 150K are each in the many thousands I had one with 152K and it needed a 4500 ABS brake pump and module that is so expensive its Toyota's way of saying out with the old...get a new one.. Yet you hear of Taxi owner's with them that have gone over 1/2 million miles with no issues at all! Go figure!
I would disagree with that assessment of the Prius. My brother has had several running up to 300K or more before trading up.
That said he is not as anal about a CEL as I am. will often have warning lights on either ABS or Tire pressure sensor lights.
All modern vehicle have parts that stupid expensive. Either picking a parts car from someone who doesn't want to fix, or buying just the part from a recycling yard is worth considering.
"Throwing something out" with useable life, is pollution, no matter how you look at it. Once the useable life has been extracted, then you have minimized the "footprint" of the item on the environment.
Any product made has a residual cost associated with it, the trick is getting the most use for that cost.
 
I would disagree with that assessment of the Prius. My brother has had several running up to 300K or more before trading up.
That said he is not as anal about a CEL as I am. will often have warning lights on either ABS or Tire pressure sensor lights.
All modern vehicle have parts that stupid expensive. Either picking a parts car from someone who doesn't want to fix, or buying just the part from a recycling yard is worth considering.
"Throwing something out" with useable life, is pollution, no matter how you look at it. Once the useable life has been extracted, then you have minimized the "footprint" of the item on the environment.
Any product made has a residual cost associated with it, the trick is getting the most use for that cost.
True and the Prius above all others does cost you the very least to own up to a certain mileage point which in my case seems to be about 150K My oldest one was a 2007 and the water pump belt broke and ate the engine (head gasket actually) so that cost me 4500 to replace with a 28K complete engine direct from Japan. I sold the car shortly after as all the saving's I had enjoyed over the years went out the window in a matter of minutes. Currently I have a 2017 LEAF that's waiting for a 40KWH battery replacement upgrade under warranty which I hope happens soon I'm on the top of the list at my Nissan dealer I've seen the list and there a lot of us on it, yikes! I hope it happens sooner rather than later as yesterday I went to the beach which is down a long steep hill which gave me 3% by the time I got to the bottom In "B" mode but when going back up the hill with my wipers on, my A/C Heat defrost on and my headlights all on with 18 miles showing on the dash to go and 21% battery for the first time ever the little Turtle popped up on the screen for reduced power or something and when I got to the top of the long hill while waiting at a light the turtle went away and 3 miles later I was home after a brief scare in the rain and ugly storm I was thinking me and my Dachshund would have to walk home and Dachshunds do not like the rain as there tiny legs are only 2 to 3 inches tall so they get soaked...We made it home OK thank god the humanity of it all...lol S,o On monday I'm going to call Nissan for a current update! Funny thing is it never really slowed down it just said it would with turtle pic on the dash .
 
For a family member, I just acquired a 2007 Prius for $500 and had GreenBean Battery install a refurb hybrid battery for ~$1800.00USD. Also installed a 12V VRLA for ~$177 from Costco. Down the road she goes... Hoping for another 100K mi. , on top of the 200K its got already.

(Yes, I took advantage of the Ohio loophole and saved ~$500 in "fees".)
 
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