Got my CCS1 -> CHAdeMO adapter in the mail. A few pictures.

[GentleGiant]

FYI, I just did my bi-weekly check of the Chinese company making the CCS2 adapter, and the GBP price has nearly HALVED; price before tax if you order 1000 units is now just under £400; previously around £700.

Watch for the UK reseller prices to drop soon; or time to organise a club bulk purchase ?

 

[duncan-s]

Would be interesting to DC FC on at least non-EVgo ABB, Signet "v1" and "v2", EA BTC Power and some non-EA BTC Power (there are numerous variants), non-EA Signet, to name a few.

An EV-Connect ABB unit worked for me yesterday (there's a bank of them at the local Ford dealer), so we are 4-for-4 for now. Can't speak for the others in your list.

 

[opelgtrx1]

Thanks for the information.

I've thought of finding awrecked leaf to convert my 1973 opel gt to electric. I only drive 100km at the most a day a few times a month. I live in a coach hkusesi I can run an extension cord out to my car on the driveway but this is making me rethink since I don't know if I'll ever end up in an apartment again

 

[prft]

Indeed, the Hippie's adventures were my introduction to this adapter. I was pleased when they made a gift of that test unit to him, and said so in an email to Patrick after I got my shipping notification. Without that, somebody might have had to start a gofundme or something.


Disagree. Some adapter types are just a matter of wires being rerouted in a plastic molding, but two charging protocols had to be be reverse engineered to make this one work. Since most of the investment for that is on the software development end (and even involved flying an engineer across the world, as documented in the videos mentioned above), I won't be surprised if the prices decrease some after the initial sales. But if that's going to happen, somebody has be in the first wave of buyers. I really don't splurge on a lot of things, and am happy to do my bit here to help get the ball rolling.

There's also a battery inside that allows it to activate the car BMS. Just the plug is pretty expensive, so I consider anything under $1000 to be pretty reasonable considering the engineering involved. Given that there are not going to be very many, if any, ChaDeMo EVs being produced going forward, I'm a little surprised that they invested the resources to develop it at this price point.

 

[BillAinCT]

I'm a little surprised that they invested the resources to develop it at this price point.

Exactly. And at this time point as well. Why this wasn't done 5-6 years ago is puzzling. Nissan would have used it as an excuse to not change the LEAF to CCS but clearly we know now they didn't anyway. They could have potentially sold many more 2020-2025 LEAFs with the CHAdeMO stigma lifted, or mitigated for a price. I agree with the price point too considering the parts cost, the engineering time, and the expected market. I didn't pull the trigger yet (and I am debating if the $80 increase for A2ZEV is worth it) but if it were at $600-$700 I wouldn't wait much longer. I don't really expect a price drop either.

 

[woeful]

Many LEAFs in Europe, too, where CCS2 is now standard. The matching CCS2 to CHAdeMO adaptor is almost certainly the same apart from the CCS plug shape, and there's a trickle of imports of used cars from Japan (still using Chad) to CCS countries to maintain sales for years. If they sell 100 000 with a profit margin of $100 to $200 a time, that may be enough to pay for the design and return a profit.

 

[marshallinwash]

Exactly. And at this time point as well. Why this wasn't done 5-6 years ago is puzzling. Nissan would have used it as an excuse to not change the LEAF to CCS but clearly we know now they didn't anyway. They could have potentially sold many more 2020-2025 LEAFs with the CHAdeMO stigma lifted, or mitigated for a price. I agree with the price point too considering the parts cost, the engineering time, and the expected market. I didn't pull the trigger yet (and I am debating if the $80 increase for A2ZEV is worth it) but if it were at $600-$700 I wouldn't wait much longer. I don't really expect a price drop either.

 

[GentleGiant]

The prices have already dropped, people are selling them for around £900, whereas originally the offer was £1500, and you had to buy two (I have been watching like a hawk since they were announced).

I will probably take a punt on the CCS2 version if it gets down anywhere near £500; all the longer trips I have to take have CHAD chargers I can reach, but if (like at Easter), there are a couple of road closures, it can be a PITA to find a safe CHAD location to plan as a stop.

Single charger locations arent safe - you might find it broken, or occupied by someone charging to 100%; as has happened to me a few times.

Replying to myself, I just looked at the prices, you can now get the CCS2 adapter for £735 from a UK seller, or for £635 direct from China.

https://accraine.co.uk/product/ccs2-to-chademo-dc-electric-vehicle-adapter/?currency=GBP

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/CCS2-TO-CHAdeMO-adapter-DC-fast_1600998694103.html

Another £100 drop, and I'll bite; or if someone wants to organise a 100 piece group buy, direct from China - which should bring the price down well below £500.

 

[gmcjetpilot]

Replying to myself, I just looked at the prices, you can now get the CCS2 adapter for £735 from a UK seller, or for £635 direct from China.

https://accraine.co.uk/product/ccs2-to-chademo-dc-electric-vehicle-adapter/?currency=GBP

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/CCS2-TO-CHAdeMO-adapter-DC-fast_1600998694103.html

Another £100 drop, and I'll bite; or if someone wants to organise a 100 piece group buy, direct from China - which should bring the price down well below £500.

Question has Nissan made a deal with Tesla to use their charging stations? I know other car brands have deals.

Will the CHAdeMO adapter communicate and be compatible with Teslas chargers. Of course you need a CCS 2 to Tesla adapters.

 

[GentleGiant]

Question has Nissan made a deal with Tesla to use their charging stations? I know other car brands have deals.

Will the CHAdeMO adapter communicate and be compatible with Teslas chargers. Of course you need a CCS 2 to Tesla adapters.

There already exist, Tesla to Chademo adapters, to allow tesla owners to charge at Chademo stations, so it should be possible.

I am not sure what you mean by "deal" though; in Europe, Tesla adopted the CCS2 charger port, and started installing charging stations that have a CCS2 cable, so any CCS2 car can use them, it wasnt a case of certain brands of car only.

Tesla in the US, seems to be pushing their proprietary NACS port, so other manufacturers cars SHOULD be able to charge at Tesla stations if they also have a NACS port, or a CCS1 to NACS adapter.

NACS is cheaper to produce and fit, CCS is safer - once again showing the difference between EU and US laws.

 

[gmcjetpilot]

There already exist, Tesla to Chademo adapters, to allow tesla owners to charge at Chademo stations, so it should be possible.

I am not sure what you mean by "deal" though; in Europe, Tesla adopted the CCS2 charger port, and started installing charging stations that have a CCS2 cable, so any CCS2 car can use them, it wasnt a case of certain brands of car only.

Tesla in the US, seems to be pushing their proprietary NACS port, so other manufacturers cars SHOULD be able to charge at Tesla stations if they also have a NACS port, or a CCS1 to NACS adapter.

NACS is cheaper to produce and fit, CCS is safer - once again showing the difference between EU and US laws.

You did not understand. First the "deal", you know Tesla chargers were 100% proprietary and only Tesla EV's could use them. Even if technically possible they did not allow charging of other brands. This has nothing to do with CHAdeMO. A "deal" was made to allow other brands (Ford, Mercedes, etc.) to use Tesla chargers. Only recently did Nissan make a deal and for Ayria only. Nissan will provide adapter and future Ayria models will have NACS plugs. What about LEAF's?

My question was about Tesla to CHAdeMO. I think answer is not possible.

Nissan is stubborn and keeps using CHAdeMO and Air cooled battery packs for the LEAF. If I'm wrong give spacifics, references. May be they will go to NACS on LEAF'S like they will do on the Ayria.

You know Tesla has their own plug, NACS plug and it's proprietary. There are adapters to use CSS1 and CSS2 chargers to charge NACS Teslas. $100.

Is there's a Tesla to CHAdeMO adapter? No.

Fortunately my SV LEAF has LEVEL2 SAE J1772 receptacle w/ 6.6 kW/h charger. i don't care about fast DC charging. I can get to 80% in 1 to 1.5 hrs.

The CSS1/2 to CHAdeMO adapter on Amazon is $2,500. Ha ha. My 2015 SV LEAF is worth $6000. Does that make sense.

 

[GentleGiant]

You did not understand. First the "deal", you know Tesla chargers were 100% proprietary and only Tesla EV's could use them. Even if technically possible they did not allow charging of other brands. This has nothing to do with CHAdeMO. A "deal" was made to allow other brands (Ford, Mercedes, etc.) to use Tesla chargers. Only recently did Nissan make a deal and for Ayria only. Nissan will provide adapter and future Ayria models will have NACS plugs. What about LEAF's?

My question was about Tesla to CHAdeMO. I think answer is not possible.

Nissan is stubborn and keeps using CHAdeMO and Air cooled battery packs for the LEAF. If I'm wrong give spacifics, references. May be they will go to NACS on LEAF'S like they will do on the Ayria.

You know Tesla has their own plug, NACS plug and it's proprietary. There are adapters to use CSS1 and CSS2 chargers to charge NACS Teslas. $100.

Is there's a Tesla to CHAdeMO adapter? No.

Fortunately my SV LEAF has LEVEL2 SAE J1772 receptacle w/ 6.6 kW/h charger. i don't care about fast DC charging. I can get to 80% in 1 to 1.5 hrs.

The CSS1/2 to CHAdeMO adapter on Amazon is $2,500. Ha ha. My 2015 SV LEAF is worth $6000. Does that make sense.

https://shop.tesla.com/en_au/product/chademo-adapter

Wanna a bet on how many other things in your post are wrong?

 

[Wrench7747]

https://shop.tesla.com/en_au/product/chademo-adapter

Wanna a bet on how many other things in your post are wrong?

It was all substantially correct, in the context of the Leaf in the US.

Tesla makes and sells an adapter for Chademo chargers to NACS Tesla cars.

Tesla does NOT make or sell an adapter for NACS chargers to Chademo cars.

These two things are completely different.

 

[GentleGiant]

It was all substantially correct, in the context of the Leaf in the US.

Tesla makes and sells an adapter for Chademo chargers to NACS Tesla cars.

Tesla does NOT make or sell an adapter for NACS chargers to Chademo cars.

These two things are completely different.

I think you need to learn to read, gmcjetpilot claimed there was no Tesla to Chad adapter, not that there was never a Chad to NACS adapter

NACS is a newer standard that Tesla introduced - however it is also being adopted by several other EV car makers in the US market, any car with NACs can use a new Tesla charger equipped with NACS, same as any CCS1/2 car can use a Mk3 or 4 Tesla charger so equipped.

 

[Doanster1]

Directional arguing.
Tesla made an adapter to allow charging FROM a chademo station. There is no adapter that allows a supercharger to charge a chademo car.

 

[Wrench7747]

I think you need to learn to read, gmcjetpilot claimed there was no Tesla to Chad adapter,

Wow, dude, seriously? It is 100% clear that gmcjetpilot is asking about charging Leafs from Tesla chargers.

But since you insist on playing the word nitpicking game, I'll say it: No, Tesla does not make a "Tesla to Chad" adapter. The power does NOT flow from the Tesla to Chademo; the power flows from Chademo to Tesla. So Telsa's adapter is either a "Tesla from Chad" adapter or "Chad to Tesla" adapter, but not a "Tesla to Chad" adapter.

But all of that is still irrelevant, in a discussion thread about DC fast charging Leafs from non-Chademo fast chargers.

Are we done beating this to death yet?

 

[GentleGiant]

Wow, dude, seriously? It is 100% clear that gmcjetpilot is asking about charging Leafs from Tesla chargers.

But since you insist on playing the word nitpicking game, I'll say it: No, Tesla does not make a "Tesla to Chad" adapter. The power does NOT flow from the Tesla to Chademo; the power flows from Chademo to Tesla. So Telsa's adapter is either a "Tesla from Chad" adapter or "Chad to Tesla" adapter, but not a "Tesla to Chad" adapter.

But all of that is still irrelevant, in a discussion thread about DC fast charging Leafs from non-Chademo fast chargers.

Are we done beating this to death yet?

gmc is blowing out his arse; he keeps pushing this "deal"; there are no deals, all newer Tesla chargers work with all cars with a compatible charger port - the latest news from Nissan is that - like most other EV car companies selling in the USA; they are adopting the NACS port.

An adaptor to charge a Chad car off of a NACS port is feasible, if it wasnt, they wouldnt have been able to make a CSCS/Chad adapter (something several "knowledgeable" members were claiming was impossible, only 2-3 years ago); the ONLY reason there hasnt been one is because currently, there is no demand - and probably never will be; the number of CHAdeMO equipped cars is tiny, and it will be a decade before NACS seriously impacts the number of CCS charger locations; by which time the cars will be on the scrap heap, or expensively converted to CCS - a process that already exists.

Who knows, maybe the US will buy some of the new combined NACS/CHAdeMO chargers being installed in Japan; no CCS in sight.

 

[Wrench7747]

gmc is blowing out his arse;

That's just plain rude and uncalled for.

he keeps pushing this "deal"; there are no deals,

There most certainly are.

"Nissan is the latest automaker to reach an agreement with Tesla"

"Tesla announced earlier this year that it would open its charging network to competitors’ vehicles, and in just a few short months, it has made agreements with Ford, GM, Volvo and Polestar, Rivian, Mercedes-Benz, and now Nissan."

https://www.cars.com/articles/nissan-signs-charging-agreement-with-tesla-469374/

Ford's press release said the same, that it "reached an agreement": https://media.ford.com/content/ford...n-access-to-12-000-tesla-superchargers--.html

Saying that you can't use the word "deal" to describe these is some top-level pedanticism.

 

[hradek]

I think you need to learn to read, gmcjetpilot claimed there was no Tesla to Chad adapter, not that there was never a Chad to NACS adapter

NACS is a newer standard that Tesla introduced - however it is also being adopted by several other EV car makers in the US market, any car with NACs can use a new Tesla charger equipped with NACS, same as any CCS1/2 car can use a Mk3 or 4 Tesla charger so equipped.

In Palmdale Park &Ride they converted two of the three CHAdeMO to Tesla by attaching converters in a way they are can't be removed!