Recall R24B2: Battery State of Charge

[Ndp1234]

Has there been any updates, news or speculation about this recall? My 2019 SL plus is affected, which states don't fast charge the car. I rarely fast charge, but do the occasional 200-300 mile road trip that requires it, for now I'll borrow or rent a car. My past QC charging experiences had the battery heating, not to red, but to an uncomfortable level after a single charge.

Nissan is under significant financial strain, and I wonder how and when they're going to deal with this.

I took my car to the dealership yesterday and they told me that they did not have a remedy yet for this recall.

 

[Cfriedli]

I took my car to the dealership yesterday and they told me that they did not have a remedy yet for this recall.

Curious what state you are in?
There’s probably zero chance Nissan will contact owners once the fix is released. Hoping someone in this forum will update us.

 

[vectormax]

I'm still waiting on my "Invitation to repair"

 

[cwerdna]

There’s probably zero chance Nissan will contact owners once the fix is released. Hoping someone in this forum will update us.

I'd say the chance is FAR greater than 0. Automakers are required to submit quarterly reports about recall completion progress to NHTSA. There's a whole process. See pages 11 and 9 of https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/mvdefectsandrecalls_808795.pdf, for pages 9, look under "4. Recall Management".

Here are examples for a different Leaf recall of quarterly reports:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLQRT-23V494-3758.PDF
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLQRT-23V494-6266.PDF
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLQRT-23V494-5858.PDF
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLQRT-23V494-4978.PDF

Also see bottom of https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls:
"NHTSA will monitor each safety recall to make sure owners receive safe, free, and effective remedies from manufacturers according to the Safety Act and Federal regulations."

Autoamakers have been fined for slow recall before like https://www.kbb.com/car-news/ford-to-pay-165-million-fine-for-slow-recall/.

 

[cwerdna]

Folks can monitor the status themselves at https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2019/NISSAN/LEAF/5%2520HB/FWD#recalls (or whatever model year they have). Look for campaign 24V700000 and associated docs. It has grown to 6 now.

I'm still waiting on my "Invitation to repair"

I found https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RMISC-24V700-4145.pdf dated Nov 14, 2024 that on page 5 says that due to an unexpected delay in final remedy software development, they expect it to now be available Spring 2025.

@RogerRDalTx, see above.

 

[Ndp1234]

Curious what state you are in?
There’s probably zero chance Nissan will contact owners once the fix is released. Hoping someone in this forum will update us.

I’m in New York.

 

[Foschas]

I’ve experienced this problem several times while accelerating on the highway. My SOC will suddenly drop to around14% activating the low battery warning. If I back off the throttle after the warning, the SOC will return to normal in about 30 seconds. I replaced my 12V battery thinking it might have been the issue as it was 5 years old. I have sinced adjusted my driving. Also recently I had a no start issue with an EV system warning. I checked the codes and there were approximately 20 codes stored affecting every high voltage system. Sweeping out the trash i.e., clearing the codes brought it back to life.

2019 Nissan Leaf SV approx 88K miles standard battery

 

[Jerther]

My SOC will suddenly drop to around14% activating the low battery warning. If I back off the throttle after the warning, the SOC will return to normal in about 30 seconds.

Are you sure this is not caused by some faulty cells in the traction battery? It would be a shame to let your warranty run out without addressing this.

 

[drushebe]

Curious what state you are in?
There’s probably zero chance Nissan will contact owners once the fix is released. Hoping someone in this forum will update us.

I checked this morning and the new estimated date is March 2025. After 125 miles, my range estimate begins to fluctuate wildly, sometime going nearly to zero. Since I now can't FC, my new range is about half what it was. This sucks. No more Nissans for me.

 

[Foschas]

Could be!

 

[Jim Bodacious]

Checked Nissan website - My 2020 SL Plus is on the recall. Says they expect a solution in March 2025

 

[Jim Bodacious]

I checked this morning and the new estimated date is March 2025. After 125 miles, my range estimate begins to fluctuate wildly, sometime going nearly to zero. Since I now can't FC, my new range is about half what it was. This sucks. No more Nissans for me.

I suddenly started this month having similarly wild range estimate fluctuations, especially under load like climbing a hill. Only this starts about 75 miles or under 50% battery.

 

[Lucky]

I was just replacing all the cells in Leaf 2019 with around 50k miles on odometer. Something is wrong with their cells, probably with aditives in the electrolyte, but this is only my speculation.
Elevated battery temperatures speed up the plating of porous elecrode (not shure which one). The effect is not visible at first, but when plating starts to close the pores, internal resistance rises very quickly, but not with all the cells at the same time. This causes the SOC to fluctuate and this battery is practically useless. It still has quite good capacity, but can't release the energy quick enough.
This phenomenon also causes cell swelling which causes rubbing of the cell pouch against the deformed case and eventually insulation breakdown. Replacing individual cells doesn't provide lasting remedy, because there is the next poor link in the chain waiting ( there are exceptions). Only replacing of all the cells works. The new cells that I use have much lower internal resistance then the original so they heat up less to start with.
I know I didn't help much with this post but I at least hope that you are a bit more informed now. Any comments are welcome.

 

[Caliwish]

My 2019 SV 40 kw is also on the recall for no fast charging. This afternoon I was driving a bit aggressive/ fast with my heat on in 10 F weather and I noticed my percent of charge dropping from high 30’s to high 20’s so I reduced my speed and shut off my heat. That caused the percent charge to recover to the mid 30’s. I babied it til I got home safe. I never seen that before. Is that the bad lithium deposits Nissan is talking about? Currently at 88k miles. I only DC fast charged it twice since I bought it 7 months ago at 80k miles. Full bars. No leaf spy.

 

[Caliwish]

Second question: From what I’ve been reading, I may have a weak cell. How long will it take for this to get worse? Is it a lost cause or could I drive it for years safely if I don’t drive it like I stole it?

 

[Ndp1234]

Just updating folks that I just took my car to the dealer (to replace the 12v battery *sigh*) today and the recall came up and they confirmed no fix yet. In NY.

 

[countryleaf]

@Caliwish
I suspect your issue is due to the low temperature you were operating in. Lithium batteries don't like it very cold (or hot). I believe their discharge rate gets throttled in cold weather. Sounds like you were taxing it pretty good.

 

[Caliwish]

@Caliwish
I suspect your issue is due to the low temperature you were operating in. Lithium batteries don't like it very cold (or hot). I believe their discharge rate gets throttled in cold weather. Sounds like you were taxing it pretty good.

Yes, lesson learned. Just a bit scary. I don’t want it to brick. Taking it to the dealer with hopefully similar SOC and see if they can reproduce it.

 

[coloradoman]

I didn't know about this recall on my 2020 Leaf SV+ until today.

I decided to take a road trip to test if road tripping is possible with my car on the Tues 24th. Went from Riverside, CA (92°F) to Laughlin, NV (107°F). Approx. 245miles @ 70mph. Had to charge twice, Leaf Spy showed temps in the 119°F(dash gauge at slightly more than half way) to 130°F(dash gauge in the red). Charging was limited to 20kW both times. The trip back was the same issue. Ended up having to use the CCS1 to ChaDeMo adapter I received from A2Z, because the only ChaDeMo charger available at the Electrify America was the only one out of order out of the 8 stations available, adapter was at ambient temperature. Still limited to 20kW. These are practically trickle charge rates of charge. I was watching KIA's, Mach E's, etc, charging in 20 to 30 mins during the 2 hrs I had to charge to go from 8% to 80%

Makes me wonder what the FIX will be for this issue. Nissan knows that their cars (Leaf's) have no type of battery conditioning. If they plan to FIX this by limiting charge even more then what they already are, I can see some very pissed off owners. I thought that Nissan had fixed their battery issues years ago with the "Lizzard" battery update, I guess not.

Lesson learned... Great commuter car. Lousy road tripper.

I saw you have this CCS1 to CHADEMO adapter by A2Z. I looked on their site and can't find it. Do you have a link for it? I would love to get one

 

[Mcflocki]

They estimate that only 1% of the recalled cars have the battery problem. I wish they would explain the cause of the problem a little more. It would also help if the they explained how a software update fixes the problem.