Why do "some groups" bad mouth EVs?

[GentleGiant]

I've gotten into ridiculous debates with people on Breitbart, a right-wing news and commentary site. I don't totally understand it because first of all, the leading EV maker in the world is Tesla, an American manufacturer founded by Americans. What's happened to people's national pride? They treat Tesla like the enemy.

Do these same people flip the finger at a GM or Ford vehicle as it drives by, even though those cars and trucks are about 45% to 50% foreign parts?

We just got our first EV, a Nissan Leaf, admittedly a Japanese corporation but it was built in Smyrna by American workers. Geeze people need to lighten up a little.

I believe in live and let live. If someone prefers diesel, gasoline, hydrogen, or electric, it's their choice. Let the market decide. Eventually we'll coalesce around the newest and best standard which will likely be electric with 500+ mile batteries, and most gasoline stations will have installed charge ports.

By the way, why isn't every gas station installing charge ports? Seems like a nice way to boost revenue and capture more business. EV drivers buy coffee and chips, so why not take their money?

In Europe and some other parts of the world, Shell are ripping out ALL the petrol/diesel pumps at some of their locations, and converting stations to pure electric charging. The UK alone is having 300 stations so converted.

BTW, although founded by USians, Tesla is now mostly owned by a South African, illegal immigrant, who did a "McDonalds" on the original founders.

 

[JoeTairei]

In Europe and some other parts of the world, Shell are ripping out ALL the petrol/diesel pumps at some of their locations, and converting stations to pure electric charging. The UK alone is having 300 stations so converted.

BTW, although founded by USians, Tesla is now mostly owned by a South African, illegal immigrant, who did a "McDonalds" on the original founders.

I was trying not to get too political or speculative in my post. But if Musk's an "illegal immigrant", then so am I. I was born in Canada and moved to the U.S. when young, just as he did. And, just as he did, I took the oath of citizenship. Now back to talking about Nissan EV's...hopefully...?

 

[GentleGiant]

I was trying not to get too political or speculative in my post. But if Musk's an "illegal immigrant", then so am I. I was born in Canada and moved to the U.S. when young, just as he did. And, just as he did, I took the oath of citizenship. Now back to talking about Nissan EV's...hopefully...?

From what I have read, he entered the US without the correct visa; what happened after that is a bit hazy; is he even a US citizen now??

As for EVs, misinformation is put out by several interested source - oil/petrochemical companies, traditional car companies and **** stirrers, then parroted by three main groups; people paid directly by one of the former, people working for companies primarily funded by the former - and people who accept anything said to them, as long as it is a news source that "sticks it to the man"; even though most of those news sources are owned "by the man" to an even greater extent than the big news outlets.

I get the "the battery will need changing every 3 years" parroted at me, then blank faces when I show them via my phone, the SOH of my 8 y/o EV (96.8% of original capacity); these people are so weak-minded, they are incapable of accepting information that contradicts their beliefs.

Anti EV-ism is now a religion amongst some of these people; with constantly moving goalposts that they will continue to move whenever their old belief becomes untenable; we even have a poster here, stating rural people need an EV that can go 1800 miles on a charge - I would like him to produce a list of ICE cars that can go 1800 miles on a tank of fuel; to show how people living in rural areas, currently survive.

 

[Bombastinator2]

From what I have read, he entered the US without the correct visa; what happened after that is a bit hazy; is he even a US citizen now??

As for EVs, misinformation is put out by several interested source - oil/petrochemical companies, traditional car companies and **** stirrers, then parroted by three main groups; people paid directly by one of the former, people working for companies primarily funded by the former - and people who accept anything said to them, as long as it is a news source that "sticks it to the man"; even though most of those news sources are owned "by the man" to an even greater extent than the big news outlets.

I get the "the battery will need changing every 3 years" parroted at me, then blank faces when I show them via my phone, the SOH of my 8 y/o EV (96.8% of original capacity); these people are so weak-minded, they are incapable of accepting information that contradicts their beliefs.

Anti EV-ism is now a religion amongst some of these people; with constantly moving goalposts that they will continue to move whenever their old belief becomes untenable; we even have a poster here, stating rural people need an EV that can go 1800 miles on a charge - I would like him to produce a list of ICE cars that can go 1800 miles on a tank of fuel; to show how people living in rural areas, currently survive.

Yay FUD! Anyone can write anything even if it’s complete crap. I have no opinion. Why? Cause I don’t KNOW anything about the situation. There’s a whole lot in flux here.

 

[duncan-s]

Although Musk overstayed a student visa, which was and remains illegal, it was before 9/11, and oversight of student visas was relatively lax then. So my feelings about that situation might be a lot different if he didn't hold spout extreme anti-immigration views now.

Article about it in the Guardian

The above is offered just in case anyone wants a starting point to dig into the topic. But if it's possible to veer away from political flames, I'd add that much of the anti-EV sentiment seems tied to all-or-nothing, black-and-white thinking. People who can't or won't apply rationality (I use that term in the old literal sense of ratios, the judgement of relative sizes or weights) tend to get stuck in established beliefs because they require them to be overturned at the 100% certainty level, as if by a big godlike spatula. If they have always believed X superior to Y, then it isn't good enough to demonstrate that Y is better than X in, say, 85% of the relevant criteria. That remaining 15% is what they are then compelled to focus on, and their devotion to X remains safely undisturbed.

It reminds me of the old saying about straining gnats out of your drink only to swallow a camel.