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Re: Tesla Pickup Truck/Cargo Van

Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:53 pm

golfcart wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:23 am
lorenfb wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:36 am
golfcart wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:00 am
In addition, my friend reserved one last week, I have seen his account, it says $35000 standard range on it.
And what's the quoted delivery date??? We all remember 2016/2017 where a M3 delivery was essentially "Will Advise" on the $1K deposit.
Irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not you can buy one still.
You're naive, of course it's relevant! Any company can take an order, as Tesla did in 2016, but the key is a committed delivery date.
Most companies, e.g. Amazon, Best Buy, & Apple, provide delivery dates when an order is placed. An order only has validity when
a product delivery acknowledgement has a committed date. Otherwise it's basically a "Will Advise" order based on the whims of the
the product sales/marketing department, i.e. given the profitability of the order. Since Elon has stated that the cost of the M3 is
basically $39K, Tesla's motivation to deliver M3's at breakeven or less is marginal at best! So although Tesla will accept orders for a $35K M3,
the key issue is really whether many actually get delivered, especially in 2019.
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Re: Tesla Pickup Truck/Cargo Van

Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:28 pm

lorenfb wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:53 pm
golfcart wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:23 am
lorenfb wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:36 am


And what's the quoted delivery date??? We all remember 2016/2017 where a M3 delivery was essentially "Will Advise" on the $1K deposit.
Irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not you can buy one still.
You're naive, of course it's relevant! Any company can take an order, as Tesla did in 2016, but the key is a committed delivery date.
Most companies, e.g. Amazon, Best Buy, & Apple, provide delivery dates when an order is placed. An order only has validity when
a product delivery acknowledgement has a committed date. Otherwise it's basically a "Will Advise" order based on the whims of the
the product sales/marketing department, i.e. given the profitability of the order. Since Elon has stated that the cost of the M3 is
basically $39K, Tesla's motivation to deliver M3's at breakeven or less is marginal at best! So although Tesla will accept orders for a $35K M3,
the key issue is really whether many actually get delivered, especially in 2019.
Amazon, Best Buy and Apple do not make ground-breaking EVs. Say what you want about anything Tesla but you simply don't get it at any level and please stop acting like you are here to set everyone straight, you continue to post nonsense and things that are refuted repeatedly. Anyone who owns a Tesla get's it and I can assure you no one cares about your view on delivery times, bankruptcy, delivery, false tech claims or anything else except those that are misinformed of have no intention of ever buying one, like you. So please don't come to the Tesla threads to spout your anti Tesla FUD and don't act like you were looking to place an order to only suddenly try to reveal some big Tesla pricing conspiracy.

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Re: Tesla Pickup Truck/Cargo Van

Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:30 pm

lorenfb wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:53 pm

You're naive, of course it's relevant! Any company can take an order, as Tesla did in 2016, but the key is a committed delivery date.
Most companies, e.g. Amazon, Best Buy, & Apple, provide delivery dates when an order is placed. An order only has validity when
a product delivery acknowledgement has a committed date. Otherwise it's basically a "Will Advise" order based on the whims of the
the product sales/marketing department, i.e. given the profitability of the order. Since Elon has stated that the cost of the M3 is
basically $39K, Tesla's motivation to deliver M3's at breakeven or less is marginal at best! So although Tesla will accept orders for a $35K M3,
the key issue is really whether many actually get delivered, especially in 2019.
It’s not relevant and I’m not naive I know exactly what I’m talking about. It’s a software limited SR+ why would it take any longer to deliver than other models?

If you are correct about the cost maybe they sell it at a loss so they can get you to pay later by unlocking features? Maybe they sell it at a loss so that you’ll trade it in to them later and they can resell s as an SR+? Maybe they sell it at a loss just because Elon promised one and they don’t want the bad press? It’s not my concern... what I do know is that it exists now and you can definitely buy it.
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Re: Tesla Pickup Truck/Cargo Van

Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:52 pm

golfcart wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:00 am
johnlocke wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:08 am
In point of fact, neither the Model 3 standard version nor the Model 3 RWD extended range versions are available for sale anymore.
I'm not sure why you'd be so confident in your tone considering you are completely, and demonstrably, wrong. To use a statement like "in point of fact" is in effect to say "actually" as if you are correcting someone. When in this case you are not correcting anyone you are just spreading false information. I'll repeat...

You can go into a dealer (or call) and a sales associate will order a Standard Range model 3 for you for $35000 (at least you could a week ago when I posted originally I haven't tried today). It is not available on the online configurator but I assure you it can be purchased. It is a software limited Standard range plus with 220 miles of range, slightly slower acceleration, a couple of speakers turned off and no autopilot. It is $35000 + $1200 destination + taxes and tags. For me it would have been just under $38k out the door in Virginia. I know this because I reserved one and cancelled it. In addition, my friend reserved one last week, I have seen his account, it says $35000 standard range on it. You save $3000 by removing autopilot and the rest comes off in the standard range package.

I would expect the father of liberalism to be a little more fact based in his posts. :roll:

If you are genuinely interested in what trims are currently available this article explains it better than I’d be able to do in a forum post. It focuses on the “stealth” performance but gives an overview of all trims.

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/10/13/wh ... rformance/
That's odd because when I went into a Tesla store in mid -October, I was flatly told that I could no longer order either the standard or the rear wheel drive long range versions. I was actually interested in the RWD long range. I got a quote on a Standard + that came out to $44K out the door. I went back and read the article you're referring to. It simply states that you have to call or go into a showroom. No reference to a direct factory source or attribution to an official Tesla reference.

Just for the record I am not the "father of Liberalism". Rather I am an old "hippie" of the 60's with capitalist leanings and a little Anarchy thrown in.
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Re: Tesla Pickup Truck/Cargo Van

Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:31 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:52 pm

That's odd because when I went into a Tesla store in mid -October, I was flatly told that I could no longer order either the standard or the rear wheel drive long range versions. I was actually interested in the RWD long range. I got a quote on a Standard + that came out to $44K out the door. I went back and read the article you're referring to. It simply states that you have to call or go into a showroom. No reference to a direct factory source or attribution to an official Tesla reference.

Just for the record I am not the "father of Liberalism". Rather I am an old "hippie" of the 60's with capitalist leanings and a little Anarchy thrown in.
Not sure what to tell you about your experience but I can vouch for the fact that I ordered one in mid November from the Richmond/Glen Allen Tesla dealer. Things didn’t work out with getting my Leaf lease transferred so I had to cancel but I assure you it was on my account as $35000 + $1200 + sales tax. I think it came out to $37891 out the door or close to that.

For the record, it was a philosophy joke and he was a classical liberal not a modern leftist.

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Re: Tesla Cybertruck

Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:44 pm

This is likely the same car dealership BS that Tesla was supposed to make obsolete. The Tesla "store" wants to sell the more expensive versions, so they tell people they can't get the Base versions.

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Re: Tesla Cybertruck

Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:57 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:44 pm
This is likely the same car dealership BS that Tesla was supposed to make obsolete. The Tesla "store" wants to sell the more expensive versions, so they tell people they can't get the Base versions.

Meet the new boss: same as the old boss.
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Re: Tesla Pickup Truck/Cargo Van

Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:48 pm

golfcart wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:31 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:52 pm


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Just for the record I am not the "father of Liberalism". Rather I am an old "hippie" of the 60's with capitalist leanings and a little Anarchy thrown in.
Not sure what to tell you about your experience but I can vouch for the fact that I ordered one in mid November from the Richmond/Glen Allen Tesla dealer. Things didn’t work out with getting my Leaf lease transferred so I had to cancel but I assure you it was on my account as $35000 + $1200 + sales tax. I think it came out to $37891 out the door or close to that.

For the record, it was a philosophy joke and he was a classical liberal not a modern leftist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke

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Woman: (Terry Jones) Yes, yes.

Michael Miles: And what's your name?

Woman: I go to church regularly.

Michael Miles: Jolly good, I see, and which prize do you have particular eyes on this evening?

Woman: I'd like the blow on the head.

Michael Miles: The blow on the head.

Woman: Just there. (points to the back of her head)

Michael Miles: Jolly good. Well your first question for the blow on the head this evening is: What great opponent of Cartesian dualism resists the reduction of psychological phenomena to physical states?

Woman: I don't know that!

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Woman: Henri Bergson.

Michael Miles: Is the correct answer!

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Re: Tesla Pickup Truck/Cargo Van

Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:36 am

johnlocke wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:54 pm

And No, I wasn't joking about a new factory. By the way where did you get the less than 50% conversion rate for the model 3?
Tesla will never tell us the conversion. I Had estimated it some time back when I was more in tune with the overall figures; numbers reserved, numbers sold, lead-times, etc. it was plain to see most people had bailed on their deposit.

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Re: Tesla Pickup Truck/Cargo Van

Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:24 pm

golfcart wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:31 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:52 pm

That's odd because when I went into a Tesla store in mid -October, I was flatly told that I could no longer order either the standard or the rear wheel drive long range versions. I was actually interested in the RWD long range. I got a quote on a Standard + that came out to $44K out the door. I went back and read the article you're referring to. It simply states that you have to call or go into a showroom. No reference to a direct factory source or attribution to an official Tesla reference.

Just for the record I am not the "father of Liberalism". Rather I am an old "hippie" of the 60's with capitalist leanings and a little Anarchy thrown in.
Not sure what to tell you about your experience but I can vouch for the fact that I ordered one in mid November from the Richmond/Glen Allen Tesla dealer. Things didn’t work out with getting my Leaf lease transferred so I had to cancel but I assure you it was on my account as $35000 + $1200 + sales tax. I think it came out to $37891 out the door or close to that.

For the record, it was a philosophy joke and he was a classical liberal not a modern leftist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke
That is the first time I've heard John Locke referred to in that way. I'm aware of the connections to the Founding Fathers and the Constitution and the concept of the social contract. I've been asked about my name and possible relation all my life. In fact there is a family resemblance although I have no idea if we are related. I guess that maybe I'm not that far off philosophically either.
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