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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:59 pm

coleafrado wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:47 am
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/co ... ditioning/

Tesla's one advantage is that it has a lead in the North American market and has a whole local partnership with Panasonic. Everywhere else, like the EU, its competitors are on home turf.
Tesla has at least two advantages. The first is a comprehensive charging network and the second is technical expertise in battery chemistry and manufacturing. Neither one is likely to be challenged anytime soon. Tesla is also not burdened with a legacy ICE installed base. ICE manufacturers can't produce and sell EV's without hurting their main business model..
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:06 pm

Don't forget the independent dealer network that will also favor ICE for a loooong time. Not just in sales but due to lack of service profits.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:41 pm

smkettner wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:06 pm
Don't forget the independent dealer network that will also favor ICE for a loooong time. Not just in sales but due to lack of service profits.
Quite true, I've lately been thinking of dealer networks as reputational liabilities.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:52 pm

ABG:
Tesla safety investigation launched in South Korea

The automaker's Autopilot feature is part of the investigation

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/07/29/tes ... uth-korea/

. . . Braking and steering systems including the Autopilot function were part of the investigation, a transport ministry official said on Wednesday. The ministry declined to elaborate, but South Korean media said Tesla's Model 3 was under investigation, and the probe might take anywhere from six months to a year.

Tesla would cooperate with the investigation, an official at its South Korean unit said. . . .
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:34 am

johnlocke wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:59 pm
Tesla has at least two advantages. The first is a comprehensive charging network and the second is technical expertise in battery chemistry and manufacturing. Neither one is likely to be challenged anytime soon. Tesla is also not burdened with a legacy ICE installed base. ICE manufacturers can't produce and sell EV's without hurting their main business model..
The first advantage could be enough to make Musk the first Trillionaire.

The second walks out the door everyday. Or logs off at home everyday. Tomorrow could be different. Tesla doesn't need anything more than the commodity batteries.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:36 pm

IEVS:
German Court Suspends Driver For Adjusting Wiper Speed In Tesla Model 3

https://insideevs.com/news/436912/drive ... d-model-3/

A recent verdict from Germany will start a fascinating discussion. The Higher Regional Court in Karlsruhe confirmed that a driver would have to be suspended from driving for a month. He was sentenced to that because he drove his Tesla Model 3 into an embankment and hit some trees after trying to adjust the windshield wiper speed on the touchscreen.

This driver, which did not have his identity revealed, suffered this accident on the evening of March 15, 2019. The first lawsuit he was subject to happened on August 22, 2019, and he was condemned to pay a €200 fine and got suspended from driving for one month. The 1 Rb 36 Ss 832/19 lawsuit if the final one, and it does not admit any appeal.

According to judges involved with this lawsuit, "the touchscreen permanently installed in the Tesla vehicle is an electronic device." Therefore, its operation "is permitted to the motor vehicle driver only under the conditions" of German's regulation, "without it being of any importance what purpose the motor vehicle driver pursues with its operation."

Before you come up with the old saying that you never know what you'll find in verdicts and baby diapers, the judges gave many reasons to consider the infotainment screen at the Model 3 as an "electronic device." Although the driver said that the speedometer there makes it a "safety control panel," the court ruled it could not be considered as such when a quick gaze is not enough for him to check a submenu with five options. The driver would also be to blame because he had not "observed the care required in road traffic."

Whether you agree with the German judge's reasoning or not, it is crucial to consider the decision opens an in-depth discussion as to whether fundamental functions in a car, such as windshield wipers, should have anything to do with a touchscreen or not. . . .
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:45 pm

Tesla interior ergonomics are a deal killer for us. Great cars. Will never own one until they change these aspects of the design.

Some day we'll have automation that really works, in the meantime, no thank you at any price.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:04 pm

frontrangeleaf wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:45 pm
Tesla interior ergonomics are a deal killer for us. Great cars. Will never own one until they change these aspects of the design.

Some day we'll have automation that really works, in the meantime, no thank you at any price.

-b

Same here even if they met my other requirements, which they currently don't. This is also relevant, from three weeks back - electrek:
Tesla Autopilot and Full Self-Driving claims are judged ‘misleading’ by German court

https://electrek.co/2020/07/14/tesla-au ... man-court/
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:47 pm

GRA wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:36 pm

IEVS:
German Court Suspends Driver For Adjusting Wiper Speed In Tesla Model 3
I would think this was available by voice command. That or pull over if you are drilling menus.
I agree with the judge.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:26 am

smkettner wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:47 pm
GRA wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:36 pm

IEVS:
German Court Suspends Driver For Adjusting Wiper Speed In Tesla Model 3
I would think this was available by voice command. That or pull over if you are drilling menus.
I agree with the judge.
I also agree with the judge, but not the misleading headlines.
The driver was suspended, for crashing his car. The driver was distracted he says, by trying to adjust windshield wipers.

As for “drilling down” the wiper controls pop up to the top when the wiper is activated from the left stalk.
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