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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:45 am

cwerdna wrote:
jjeff wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:26 pm
I was told they currently have 5 people in line but they said the latest they've heard was late 2021 for availability! and even then they said since we aren't a CAFE state they were only likely to see one or two a year :(
You mean CARB state (California Air Resources Board)? CAFE is a national standard (https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/ ... el-economy).
:oops: Correct, CARB

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Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:50 pm
IEVS:
2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime First Drive Review: Plug And Play

https://www.motor1.com/reviews/431633/2 ... rst-drive/

Confirms SE has cloth seats. Weather and Moonroof package ($1,665) would give Leftie the heated steering wheel he wants, along with some other stuff (heated rear seats, auto wipers, Moonroof) he may or may not.
That would the vehicle we'd want, rather not have the moonroof but if it didn't interfere with my headroom I could live with it, unlike the vinal seats of the XSE we'd really not want. I'd also like the paddle shifters, vertical LED running lights, turn signals on the heated door mirrors and 6.6kwh charger but would be willing to live without those, none of which are available on the base SE.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:10 pm

Base SE for me, although I'd want paddle shifters which are only on the XSE. Sigh. If only the Niro offered AWD.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:37 pm

GCR:
2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime price marked up as battery supply issue pinches production

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... marking-up

. . . Despite the production hitch, the RAV4 Prime will be made available nationally, not just in California ZEV states, and it will still start arriving throughout the U.S. this month but will be “limited in availability.”

“Our plan is to allocate RAV4 Prime to all states as efficiently and strategically as possible, while also meeting our regulatory ZEV requirements by prioritizing specific regions with a higher demand for plug-in vehicles,” Toyota said in a response provided to Green Car Reports.

Meanwhile, as the first few RAV4 Primes are reaching dealerships, our partner site CarsDirect earlier in the week reported that some dealers are allegedly marking up prices by a few thousand dollars—up to, in at least one case, more than $10,000 above MSRP. . . .

And that takes it right out of contention for me.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:56 am

And that takes it right out of contention for me.
The fact that some dealers, in some places, are marking it up?
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:13 am

GRA wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:37 pm
Meanwhile, as the first few RAV4 Primes are reaching dealerships, our partner site CarsDirect earlier in the week reported that some dealers are allegedly marking up prices by a few thousand dollars—up to, in at least one case, more than $10,000 above MSRP. . . .

And that takes it right out of contention for me.
If the supply for the US market is really as limited as it sounds (I've not been following closely), then many dealers may be marking it up for awhile if they're still able to unload them at those prices... And, it might be a case of MSRP being an "good" or ok deal until the supply situation is solved, like it was for 04 to 06 Prius. There was a huge supply/demand imbalance coupled w/supply-side constraints back then.

You know you just want to buy a Bolt and get it over with by finally getting a BEV. ;) Used Bolts start out at pretty cheap: https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchres ... 1&zc=94556.

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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:24 pm

A 2020 Bolt's a good deal, but like the Kona it's 8" - 12" too short to pass my stretch out to sleep test. I tried it when I test drove one. Oh, and no heat pump or AWD, which for a skier like me are other no-sale issues. Oh, and the QC speed is too slow, and the range is still too short. But I liked driving it.

To be marginally useful to me for a few years I need at least 300 EPA HWY, to allow for HVAC and a few years degradation. To be fairly useful I need 400 same, and to fully replace an ICE I need 4 hours @ 80, plus at least 1/2 hour reserve @ >= 70 while running all hotel loads, for at least 15 years, and as much under $40k as possible. Obviously, we're still some years away from achieving that.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:42 pm

Don't forget the Sun AND Moon roofs.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:46 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:42 pm
Don't forget the Sun AND Moon roofs.
Not to mention heating of the steering wheel, shift lever, turn signals, door handles, window controls, radio and HVAC buttons, and glove compartment. There are people who won't buy a car without them. But it's their money and they know their needs and wants as well as I know my own, so who am I to criticize them, no matter how excessive or ridiculous their requirements seem to me?
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:54 am

Well I put my money where my mouth is.....put $500 down to be on the list for a 202x Rav-4 Prime. #10 on the list at my local Toyota dealer, god only knows where I'm on the list nation/worldwide! My sales guy luckily happened to be the go-to guy for the Prime and said I was his 4th he's written up but basically had a hand in all the dealer's orders. I ordered a SE(lower-trim model of two but still lots of features) and got the "cold weather" package including heated steering wheel and outboard rear seats). I asked him what people had been ordering and said mostly the upper trim some with all the packages, one other had ordered what I did. I'm guessing most everyone in my area will be ordering the cold weather package, if they are smart they will anyway. I was very happy they had a package with just the heated parts, originally I thought I'd be forced to get the moon roof to get the heat(at about a grand more). The sales guy really stressed it could be 2-3 years but I'm hoping sooner. It sounds like mine will be made in the US as Toyota is currently building out a new factory here, currently all are made in Japan. They had none to look at, in fact my sales guy hasn't even seen any himself, I'm guessing my first chance to really see one will be at my local Auto Show in April.....if they have one this year, it was canceled this year as they were everywhere else.
I've sat in and driven the Hybrid Rav-4 and really liked it, the Prime should only be better. Price was sticker(not above) and came in just under $40k before everything else, thinking it will be around $45k with taxes, tabs and such. The other car I was looking at was the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV that are plentiful around here(for sale and see the occasional one on the road) but my main issue with it was the Mitsubishi name and less than stellar ICE MPG, the Prime should be close to 40 on the road which is mainly where we'll be driving in on ICE, otherwise in town I plan on 99% EV use as with it's 40 mile range it should cover all but driving all the way across town.

Anyone know why the company that sponsors MNL hasn't made a Rav4 Prime site yet? They still only have the original '12 Rav4 EV site, you'd think now that people in CA?? actually are driving them that they'd make a forum for the new Prime, they have one for the Prius Prime.

The Rav4 Prime should replace our '13 S Leaf and '07 Prius, still probably hand on to our '12 SL for short in town use, need to sell my '04 Scion XB too, mostly just sits.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:29 am

I've been driving a '21 RAV4 Prime XSE for week or so on loan from Toyota, and it is a very nicely done SUV. The Yokohama tires it comes with are noisy, and it doesn't have auto-high-beams, but other than that it is trimmed with just about everything one would want. My observed fuel/energy efficiency is about 36 mpg with the battery depleted and 52 with the battery in the mix. For EV only driving we got about 62 miles out of it before the 2.5 L 4-cyl engine started going in, even though it's rated at 41 EV only miles. The 18.1 kWh battery can be heated or cooled as needed, and takes 2 hours to fully charge with the optional 6.6k Wh charger. The combined power output of both electric motors and the engine is 302 hp and it can accelerate 0-60 in under 6 seconds.

All in all it is a very versatile vehicle. The one that I'm driving costs a bit over $49.5K

Our LEAF is my wife's car and its lease will be up next summer, so the RAV4 Prime is high on her consideration list.

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