LeftieBiker wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:39 am
Back off a bit, Sagebrush. Cwerdna is correct, in that large improvements in ICE efficiency AND pollution reduction have occurred in the last 25 years. The fact that manufacturers have chosen to use these improvements mainly to increase horsepower, rather than greatly increase fuel economy, is not a reflection on the engine designs. It's a reflection on both the priorities of the auto manufacturers and of the car buying public, driven by the advertising industry. There have been early exceptions that were later rolled back, like the first Hondas with the CVCC engines. They were both faster AND got fantastic fuel economy. Then later on, Honda started making the Civics and Accords bigger and bigger, heavier and heavier. The engines started growing in displacement to partially compensate, and both fuel economy suffered while in most cases performance either stayed the same or dropped a bit. This is exactly why we need ever-increasing fuel economy standards.
+1 it's like mfgs. and especially auto press is infatuated with more and more HP. I watch PBS's Motorweek and they are basically never happy with engine HP and speed, they always want more HP and more speed
Same with auto mags, it's all about more and more, MPG gets mentioned but is generally low on the priority list. Of course it's not just the press but people must by into it too, if they refused to purchase Chrystler vehicles(most of them are what I'd describe as energy pigs, especially Dodge) they'd be forced to make more efficient vehicles. While our Prius gets great MPG it's not that much better than my new purchased '94 Geo Metro that got close to 50 MPG Hwy and similar city. At the time I was also looking at the Honda Civic VX? that got AFAIR close to 60MPG Hwy and 50 city, neither relied on batteries/hybrid technology, they were both just designed for efficiency. Sure the Metro was very light, underpowered and not particularly safe compared to say the Prius but just saying, if a mfg. wants to make an efficient vehicle they can, it just has to be a priority and not HP and speed oh and tire sizes! My Geo had 155? 12" tires and still could cruise down the freeway at 70 and get close to 50mpg
I have no time for inefficiently designed cars, MPG and now EV range is basically at the top of my list for a given vehicle style. I feel if more people shopped like this we'd have many better-designed vehicles but I know other people have different priorities and I guess that's OK too.