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LeftieBiker said:
If someone wants to start a new topic for the EUV I don't object. Otherwise I'll just add it to the topic title.

I'm good with it being the same, it is the same ... mostly?

Caveat to one thing I said earlier: The battery pack and therefore the DC speed didn't change, but they did upgrade the onboard AC charger for both variants. They support 11 kW now?

To me that seems odd, I'd rather have 7 kW at home and faster DC. But my guess is that they can't do anything on the DC side until they change the pack design. Or stick with the 7 kW or whatever it was, and just give me an even cheaper car. AC charging speed, for me, means over night and therefore I really don't care that much about speed.
 
Looks like the media embargo was lifted today. I skimmed https://insideevs.com/reviews/491471/chevrolet-bolt-euv-first-drive-review/. It has GM's answers about what's up the cargo room on the Bolt EUV:
One dimension that had me curious was how the listed cargo volume of Bolt EUV was slightly less than that of the Bolt EV - it just didn't make sense. So I asked GM's Vehicle Chief Engineer of Battery Electric Vehicles, Jeremy Short, as he was one of our media-drive escorts.

I could see Short's eyes roll back when I asked him how the EUV could have less cargo space than the smaller EV and he quickly answered: "it doesn't". He explained that the way the SAE requires manufacturers to measure the rear cargo space is to measure the height of that area directly above the rear axle.

The Bolt EUV has a long wheelbase (2.9" longer than the Bolt EV) so the rear wheels are pushed back as far as they can be. Additionally, the rear hatch of the Bolt EUV slopes down at a greater angle than the Bolt EV does, so the roof point that is directly above the rear axle on the EUV, is not as high as the point above the axle on the EV.

That made the official cargo volume calculation slightly less for EUV. However, Short explained that you can actually fit a good deal more cargo in the EUV, as they have tested it in many ways.
 
GCR:
Cheapest new-car lease is all-electric: Chevy Bolt EV lease deals as low as $107 per month

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1131463_cheapest-new-car-lease-chevy-bolt-ev-lease-deal


With a refreshed 2022 model on the way, lease deals for the 2021 Chevrolet Bolt EV are now as low as $107 per month, but only for Costco members in certain parts of the country. . . .

A dealership bulletin shows that all Bolt EV hatchbacks now qualify for a $3,000 Costco member bonus. That applies to both buying and leasing, and to 2021 and 2020 models.

In most parts of the country, that lowers lease rates to $147 a month, according to CarsDirect. The cheapest lease is only available in San Francisco, where shoppers can get the aforementioned $107 a month for 36 months, with $107 due at signing and an allowance of 12,000 miles a year.

That rate assumes the $3,000 Cost bonus, $7,750 in manufacturer lease cash, a $1,400 incentive currently available in San Francisco, and a $2,250 incentive for shoppers coming from non-General Motors brands. However, it doesn't include the $2,000 Clean Vehicle Rebate and $1,500 Clean Fuel Reward available in California.

Last year a $3,000 bonus when buying or leasing applied to the Bolt EV along with a $5,750 national lease incentive—bringing the monthly payment as low as $154, depending on the location. This new deal not only works out to a cheaper lease payment, but also applies to the Bolt LT with DC fast charging, which wasn't the case with the previous deal, according to CarsDirect. . . .


:shock: :eek:

If it weren't for the Bolt's lack of length to sleep in and its totally inadequate QC speed for trips I would jump on this, cause these prices are insane! Unlike many people who are wider or heavier I have no problem with the original front seats, and I can live without all the other improvements of the 2022.

If they were to offer something similar on the EUV next year, then assuming it's roomy enough and despite the QC rate and lack of AWD I would seriously consider a lease.
 
GRA said:
GCR:
Cheapest new-car lease is all-electric: Chevy Bolt EV lease deals as low as $107 per month

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1131463_cheapest-new-car-lease-chevy-bolt-ev-lease-deal


With a refreshed 2022 model on the way, lease deals for the 2021 Chevrolet Bolt EV are now as low as $107 per month, but only for Costco members in certain parts of the country. . . .

A dealership bulletin shows that all Bolt EV hatchbacks now qualify for a $3,000 Costco member bonus. That applies to both buying and leasing, and to 2021 and 2020 models.

In most parts of the country, that lowers lease rates to $147 a month, according to CarsDirect. The cheapest lease is only available in San Francisco, where shoppers can get the aforementioned $107 a month for 36 months, with $107 due at signing and an allowance of 12,000 miles a year.

That rate assumes the $3,000 Cost bonus, $7,750 in manufacturer lease cash, a $1,400 incentive currently available in San Francisco, and a $2,250 incentive for shoppers coming from non-General Motors brands. However, it doesn't include the $2,000 Clean Vehicle Rebate and $1,500 Clean Fuel Reward available in California.

Last year a $3,000 bonus when buying or leasing applied to the Bolt EV along with a $5,750 national lease incentive—bringing the monthly payment as low as $154, depending on the location. This new deal not only works out to a cheaper lease payment, but also applies to the Bolt LT with DC fast charging, which wasn't the case with the previous deal, according to CarsDirect. . . .


:shock: :eek:

If it weren't for the Bolt's lack of length to sleep in and its totally inadequate QC speed for trips I would jump on this, cause these prices are insane! Unlike many people who are wider or heavier I have no problem with the original front seats, and I can live without all the other improvements of the 2022.

If they were to offer something similar on the EUV next year, then assuming it's roomy enough and despite the QC rate and lack of AWD I would seriously consider a lease.
A few people have used incentives in at least one state plus Costco and a bunch of other crap stacked on to lease a Bolt at a negative monthly cost; their all-in price to drive it through the lease is under $0 (fuel and insurance notwithstanding).

Personally I'm very disappointed that neither of these new Bolt variations have AWD. Chevy does seem to be taking electric more seriously than Nissan, though. I remain flabbergasted that in a decade all Nissan has done is create a hatchback, and then a new revision of that hatchback. They were supposed to be the vanguard of this electrification.
 
EatsShootsandLeafs said:
GRA said:
GCR:
Cheapest new-car lease is all-electric: Chevy Bolt EV lease deals as low as $107 per month

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1131463_cheapest-new-car-lease-chevy-bolt-ev-lease-deal


With a refreshed 2022 model on the way, lease deals for the 2021 Chevrolet Bolt EV are now as low as $107 per month, but only for Costco members in certain parts of the country. . . .

A dealership bulletin shows that all Bolt EV hatchbacks now qualify for a $3,000 Costco member bonus. That applies to both buying and leasing, and to 2021 and 2020 models.

In most parts of the country, that lowers lease rates to $147 a month, according to CarsDirect. The cheapest lease is only available in San Francisco, where shoppers can get the aforementioned $107 a month for 36 months, with $107 due at signing and an allowance of 12,000 miles a year.

That rate assumes the $3,000 Cost bonus, $7,750 in manufacturer lease cash, a $1,400 incentive currently available in San Francisco, and a $2,250 incentive for shoppers coming from non-General Motors brands. However, it doesn't include the $2,000 Clean Vehicle Rebate and $1,500 Clean Fuel Reward available in California.

Last year a $3,000 bonus when buying or leasing applied to the Bolt EV along with a $5,750 national lease incentive—bringing the monthly payment as low as $154, depending on the location. This new deal not only works out to a cheaper lease payment, but also applies to the Bolt LT with DC fast charging, which wasn't the case with the previous deal, according to CarsDirect. . . .


:shock: :eek:

If it weren't for the Bolt's lack of length to sleep in and its totally inadequate QC speed for trips I would jump on this, cause these prices are insane! Unlike many people who are wider or heavier I have no problem with the original front seats, and I can live without all the other improvements of the 2022.

If they were to offer something similar on the EUV next year, then assuming it's roomy enough and despite the QC rate and lack of AWD I would seriously consider a lease.
A few people have used incentives in at least one state plus Costco and a bunch of other crap stacked on to lease a Bolt at a negative monthly cost; their all-in price to drive it through the lease is under $0 (fuel and insurance notwithstanding).

Personally I'm very disappointed that neither of these new Bolt variations have AWD. Chevy does seem to be taking electric more seriously than Nissan, though. I remain flabbergasted that in a decade all Nissan has done is create a hatchback, and then a new revision of that hatchback. They were supposed to be the vanguard of this electrification.

YMMV but I like the hatchback style for the leaf. My changes would be about 3-4 more inches or rear legroom, Properly cooled batteries, CCS Charging of 100+ kW, and most likely in the US I would now nix the 40 kWh version and sell the plus as the small battery pack and a ~80 kwh (300 mile) pack as well. Their should be room for both a 300 mile Ariya and Leaf. But the real change needs to be a modern battery pack and thermal management system.

I'd also add a number of minor tweaks but those would be the big updates.
 
MMV but I like the hatchback style for the leaf. My changes would be about 3-4 more inches or rear legroom, Properly cooled batteries, CCS Charging of 100+ kW, and most likely in the US I would now nix the 40 kWh version and sell the plus as the small battery pack and a ~80 kwh (300 mile) pack as well. Their should be room for both a 300 mile Ariya and Leaf. But the real change needs to be a modern battery pack and thermal management system.

You do know about the Ariya, right? It isn't a new revision of the Leaf, and it has most of what you want. The lack of rear cargo area with all seats up is bad, though. Oh, ok, I see you do. So your complaint is that the Ariya will replace the Leaf instead of supplementing it? Maybe it will work out that way.
 
LeftieBiker said:
MMV but I like the hatchback style for the leaf. My changes would be about 3-4 more inches or rear legroom, Properly cooled batteries, CCS Charging of 100+ kW, and most likely in the US I would now nix the 40 kWh version and sell the plus as the small battery pack and a ~80 kwh (300 mile) pack as well. Their should be room for both a 300 mile Ariya and Leaf. But the real change needs to be a modern battery pack and thermal management system.

You do know about the Ariya, right? It isn't a new revision of the Leaf, and it has most of what you want. The lack of rear cargo area with all seats up is bad, though. Oh, ok, I see you do. So your complaint is that the Ariya will replace the Leaf instead of supplementing it? Maybe it will work out that way.

Yes, I just would like to see Nissan upgrade the battery pack in the Leaf as well. I see no reason both can't coexist, especially if the Ariya is far more $$$. I'm just saying I don't think the biggest issue with the Leaf is the hatchback style. The biggest issue, if there is indeed one, has to be the battery pack, right?
 
DougWantsALeaf said:
With Bolt taking a 5k msrp haircut, do you think Leaf will for the 22 model as well?

That's a great point too, unless the Leaf offers some substantial advantage, the new Bolt would significantly under cut it in terms of price?

What would the Leaf Plus need to do to remain both cost and technologically competitive?
 
https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2021/apr/0401-gmsales.html says "Bolt EV and the Traverse, had their best first-quarter retail sales ever. Bolt EV retail sales were up 60 percent".

It points to a deliveries file showing 9,025 were delivered in the US during Q1 2021 vs. 5,873 for Q1 2020.
 
cwerdna said:
https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2021/apr/0401-gmsales.html says "Bolt EV and the Traverse, had their best first-quarter retail sales ever. Bolt EV retail sales were up 60 percent".

It points to a deliveries file showing 9,025 were delivered in the US during Q1 2021 vs. 5,873 for Q1 2020.

I know why, people are leasing them for about $130 a month including taxes and fees.

https://slickdeals.net/f/14894620-2021-chevy-bolt-for-4600-one-pay-in-california-4600?src=SiteSearchV2Algo1
 
goldbrick said:
Leave it to GM to turn Orion into ore' ee un. :roll:
I've also heard GM's CEO use that/a goofy pronunciation. It's possible that the video's pronunciation is correct for that area or maybe it's a Michigan "accent"...

edit: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/06/27/how-pronounce-michigan-words/737438002/ confirms the video's pronunciation.
 
Looks like the update is here/here soon for recalled Bolts (all '17 to '18 and some '19 for possible fire risk).
https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/the-2019-bolt-ev-recall-update-is-here.38311/

Still no growth beyond 19 docs at https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2017/CHEVROLET/BOLT/4%20DR/FWD#recalls. Maybe it'll show up in a few days there?

I'll be busy w/work the rest of the afternoon/evening so I won't be able to monitor developments for awhile.

Will be interesting to see if there will be a sudden glut of used Bolts pop up for sale since at that point, the stop sale will almost certainly be lifted on Bolts w/this update applied.
 
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