GerryAZ
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:48 pm

If you don't like the other vehicles, why not lease a LEAF (if you give up on the Bolt) and see what happens in the industry by the time your lease expires.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:56 pm

GerryAZ wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:48 pm
If you don't like the other vehicles, why not lease a LEAF (if you give up on the Bolt) and see what happens in the industry by the time your lease expires.
For me, Leaf has CHAdeMO which is a liability at this point vs. CCS.

It's possible in the next few months to 3 years, I may do a few road trips (had been wanting to do one to LA for awhile but been on hold due to COVID and work). CHAdeMO is somewhat of a liability (e.g. EA sites) but then there's rapidgate, which would be especially bad if I go when it's hot out. Just looking down highway 99, I picked a few random towns like Kettleman City and Tulare. Google weather said at 6 pm they were at 100 or 101 F. Bakersfield is at 102 F. It is only 87 F in Lebec.

I guess I'd have to fallback to flying or a rental car (hope the shortages are resolved by then).

But yes, leasing Leaf is a possibility.

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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:27 pm

I agree, LEAF with CHAdeMO is a limitation for long, fast road trips. FWIW, I have been able to rent from Enterprise a couple of times recently without issue. I rented a car for a day when I took my new motorcycle to the dealer on the far side of the Phoenix metro area for its 900-mile service in June (so I would not be stuck sitting at the dealer for the whole day) and rented a minivan to help a friend move some stuff a couple weeks ago, both with relatively short notice.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:16 am

cwerdna wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:56 pm
GerryAZ wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:48 pm
If you don't like the other vehicles, why not lease a LEAF (if you give up on the Bolt) and see what happens in the industry by the time your lease expires.
For me, Leaf has CHAdeMO which is a liability at this point vs. CCS.

It's possible in the next few months to 3 years, I may do a few road trips (had been wanting to do one to LA for awhile but been on hold due to COVID and work). CHAdeMO is somewhat of a liability (e.g. EA sites) but then there's rapidgate, which would be especially bad if I go when it's hot out. Just looking down highway 99, I picked a few random towns like Kettleman City and Tulare. Google weather said at 6 pm they were at 100 or 101 F. Bakersfield is at 102 F. It is only 87 F in Lebec.

I guess I'd have to fallback to flying or a rental car (hope the shortages are resolved by then).

But yes, leasing Leaf is a possibility.
Not going to deny that the LEAF can be slower to charge but the range is about the same, price a bit lower (in most cases) and its still the only car that hasn't burned. Yes, there was a Texas incident that investigators later started an arson investigation on. Some theorized that the owner upset with degradation (it was a 24 kwh) decided to burn it to get insurance money from it. There was more information on the investigation at one time but I never saw a conclusion and the article that mentioned the investigation is also gone as well so...who knows?

But the Plus does a lot better in the Rapidgate Dept. I was still getting 54 KW (137 amps max) with pack at 106-109º on a 62.5 KW Chargepoint. I found that the first 400 miles can be done with minimal slowdowns but I have also been holding to no more than 75% SOC on DC charging so yeah, I would be making more stops.

I also "generally" didn't have to worry about high overnight lows. I did temps in the mid 80's on the Silver Falls Trip but didn't DC until after the hike. Pack hadn't cooled significantly but still hit 44 KW on the EVgo at Airport in Portland.

If you examine the new pricing structure, Nissan makes it obvious they are pushing the SV Plus. It simply comes with nearly everything standard.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 25,047 mi, 92.12% SOH
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:41 am

Anyone in Denver can test drive a ID.4 (and a few other EVs) at the coming car show.

https://denverautoshow.com/ride-drive/

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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:30 pm

Busy weekend, but we might try to get over there.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:20 am

Had a old reservation (11/2020) for an ID.4 AWD Pro, got one or two email reminders from VW to finish my order (good thing is its $100 and then $400 to confirm details, all refundable) and then this past Sunday VW cancelled it and refunded my initial $100 fee. Kind of weird they didn't just say - 'go to the next step or we'll cancel your order' - but was on the fence with this one due to whole LG Chem battery being used (VW will switch to SK Innovation (until possibly they make their own) once the cars are made in the US as others have mentioned. On my other choice - the Hyundai IONIQ 5 - got a voice mail/email from their concierge desk - had not had a chance to return it, assume its about it being delayed until Winter from Fall (as posted on their site) but we'll see.

This is really just a heads up -- as VW has the RWD model in showrooms now they probably just wanted to clear out older on-line reservation holders and let the dealers do their thing.
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Re: Volkswagen ID.4 CUV

Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:32 am

What are people getting the ID4 $ at right now? Are the dealers negotiating any?
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