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Re: Ford Focus EV

Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:49 pm

I like the grill better than Leaf. But not the side port for charging.
Can't the blue oval in front flip up to plug in?

Even Leaf has liquid cooled motor and inverter and yes there is the a/c condensor
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Re: Ford Focus EV

Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:53 pm

I think we have all been "conditioned" to look for a grill in the front. It will be interesting to see what forms EVs will take in future.
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Re: Ford Focus EV

Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:07 pm

evnow wrote: ... 6.6kw charger. Speculation was next year Leaf will upgrade ... the fact that Focus has it makes that more likely now.
Thanks. This forum is so full of info. I will go check it out.

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Re: Ford Focus EV

Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:13 pm

Here is one more bit of info from the keynote, that would interest people here.

Ford says their Leviton + Best Buy Geek Squad install will cost 30% less than the "competition". They also compared the plug-in type Leviton EVSE to hard wired AV one.

They made a show of two guys from the "Geek" squad coming and hanging the Leviton EVSE showing how "fast" it is. Obviously nothing was mentioned about getting that plug put in or any needed panel upgrades etc. I hope Ford sets more realistic expectations about EVSE install with their customers.
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Re: Ford Focus EV

Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:17 am

drees wrote:J1772 can charge at much faster rates than even what Ford will be doing with the Focus EV...
But can J1772 charge at a rate high enough to eliminate the need for a DC fast charge option? Looking under that port cover only reveals one plug; kind of a shame to have all that battery thermal management plumbing in place with no DC fast charge to really put it through its paces.

Despite the fact that I actually like the looks (both inside and outside) of the Focus a bit better than the Leaf, I think this might be a deal-breaker for me.. Though I don't foresee myself driving down I-5 to Portland via fast charge anytime soon, it is nice to know that the Leaf has this capability once the charging stations are there..

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Re: Ford Focus EV

Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:54 am

Really? I'd gladly trade the L3 port on the Leaf for a 6.6kW charger.

There will be far more 6+kW L2 facilities than the occasional L3, and I intend to do more opportunistic charging than long-distance driving. Picking up charge twice as fast from these public chargers is far more valuable than the occasional quicker charge.

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Re: Ford Focus EV

Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:06 am

GroundLoop wrote:Really? I'd gladly trade the L3 port on the Leaf for a 6.6kW charger.

There will be far more 6+kW L2 facilities than the occasional L3, and I intend to do more opportunistic charging than long-distance driving. Picking up charge twice as fast from these public chargers is far more valuable than the occasional quicker charge.
I think that the integration of EV's into the grid is dependent on minimizing "opportunistic" peak demand charging. Eventually, this will be regulated by market prices. Public chargers will have time-of-use rates, just as utilities charge more for peak than off-peak electricity for your home.

So the potential EV buyer should be considering how much of their total charging can be done off peak, whether at home or elsewhere. I realize that for now L2 charging is often "free" to the driver, but plugging your car in on a hot summer afternoon in California is very expensive to everyone else paying an electricity bill.

I expect to use "opportunistic" charging only when an unplanned detour, or a longer trip, requires it. And for these occasions, fast charging at L3 will be far superior.
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Re: Ford Focus EV

Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:40 am

3691 lbs, as widely reported.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/11 ... auto_shows

One hefty compact car.

Plug that into your range calculations.
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Re: Ford Focus EV

Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:50 am

edatoakrun wrote:3691 lbs, as widely reported.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/11 ... auto_shows

One hefty compact car.

Plug that into your range calculations.

That is one fat pig of a compact EV. When will auto makers besides Think and Tesla figure out that weight matters? Good luck if that weight is true. Ouch!

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Re: Ford Focus EV

Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:52 am

that buy it, move, plug it in again is what i am talking about....dont care if its 3.3 !~! 6.6 is a bonus


now drop that price to $700 and i am in
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