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Re: Production Nissan EsFlow to Debut at Tokyo 2013!

Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:22 pm

So Nissan says that this new chassis will be positioned below the CMY 370Z. The MSRP for a vanilla, no toppings Z car is $33k. Are they talking about price when they mention that or performance? If price, then can they build a new sports chassis, w/ a significantly upgraded motor-set than the current Gen Leaf, w/ more batts (cuz 24 kWh isn't gonna cut it) and sell it for at or under $30k MSRP? If the answer is no, then I think that suggests that Nissan is looking to make an ICE. If they're suggesting performance would be sub-Z but not the price... well... that could be a problem. If they are somehow misdirecting the press to report on a sports car and come out w/ a performance EV based on the Leafs chassis for under $30k, then that could be problem too since it will not be adequate performance to attract those looking for an affordable performance vehicle, not as long as the Scion FR-S exist for under $25k.
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Re: Production Nissan EsFlow to Debut at Tokyo 2013!

Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:59 pm

What is the price for a 4ish second 0-60 370Z? Whatever that is, there is the (conventional) price/performance target.
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Re: Production Nissan EsFlow to Debut at Tokyo 2013!

Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:32 pm

GeekEV wrote:
...both hybrid and pure electric...
I think that's they key phrase right there. Maybe it will be a series-hybrid like the Volt?
Volt actually is a series/parallel combo switcharoo thingy, depending on it's mood. When they say both hybrid and pure electric they are talking about two different versions of the car, IMO.

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Re: Production Nissan EsFlow to Debut at Tokyo 2013!

Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:37 pm

Drivesolo wrote: If they're suggesting performance would be sub-Z but not the price... well... that could be a problem. If they are somehow misdirecting the press to report on a sports car and come out w/ a performance EV based on the Leafs chassis for under $30k, then that could be problem too since it will not be adequate performance to attract those looking for an affordable performance vehicle, not as long as the Scion FR-S exist for under $25k.
I think there are a number of people similar to myself that want an EV that's better looking and somewhat sportier than a LEAF, with better range, who wouldn't look at the Scion but would be all over the ESFlow.

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Re: Production Nissan EsFlow to Debut at Tokyo 2013!

Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:56 pm

JRP3 wrote:
GeekEV wrote:
...both hybrid and pure electric...
I think that's they key phrase right there. Maybe it will be a series-hybrid like the Volt?
Volt actually is a series/parallel combo switcharoo thingy, depending on it's mood. When they say both hybrid and pure electric they are talking about two different versions of the car, IMO.
Granted. It's primarily a series-hybrid, though. I was simplifying. :-)

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Re: Production Nissan EsFlow to Debut at Tokyo 2013!

Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:43 am

JRP3 wrote:I think there are a number of people similar to myself that want an EV that's better looking and somewhat sportier than a LEAF, with better range, who wouldn't look at the Scion but would be all over the ESFlow.
+1. I am with you on that. Build it and they will come.

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Re: Production Nissan EsFlow to Debut at Tokyo 2013!

Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:54 pm

TRONZ wrote:http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/n ... 52511.html

For the past 10 years Nissan/Infiniti have followed a very set pattern for introducing a new model. Concept to gauge reaction. Second concept if revisions are needed. Pre-Production is usually shown after the Corporate go ahead and the Production model is usually shown within 12 months. My guess is we will see Pre-Production in Tokyo and then Production model in Geneva.

As far as the production powertrain, let the theories and tea leaf reading begin. Its what forums are for and the EsFlow has certainly turned a huge corner when Nissan announces production intent. I appreciate that the tuner/drift crowd have been screaming for a Silvia and they make a very good case. Nissan stating that this model will not competing with the BRZ could certainly be dis-information. But looking at the specs of a twin LEAF motor, Miata sized sports car Vs a BRZ, the "Esflow" would rip the throat out of the Subaru driver before he even knew what was happening. I think Nissan's promise of a "Very Special" car is to snatch the performance mantel from $35/$40K gas cars by simply blowing them away. Nissan then completely dominates an entirely new mainstream car category and changes the performance perceptions of EV's forever. IMHO of course.

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Re: Production Nissan EsFlow to Debut at Tokyo 2013!

Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:15 pm

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Re: Production Nissan EsFlow to Debut at Tokyo 2013!

Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:35 pm

ttweed wrote:
JRP3 wrote:I think there are a number of people similar to myself that want an EV that's better looking and somewhat sportier than a LEAF, with better range, who wouldn't look at the Scion but would be all over the ESFlow.
+1. I am with you on that. Build it and they will come.

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Re: Production Nissan EsFlow to Debut at Tokyo 2013!

Wed May 15, 2013 10:23 pm

Found a little tidbit, maybe nothing, But I was surfing the Nissan Website and went into the Future and Concept car Section. All the Future cars had a Trade Mark Symbol of Some sort at the end of thier name. None of the Concept cars, except the Esflow, had trade mark insignias.




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