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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:06 pm

I typically drive 65-75 MPH with the air or heat on, the seat heaters on, radio cranked, etc. Los Angeles traffic patterns force my average speeds down in off-highway segments of course, but I make no effort to increase efficiency in the Soul and still get extremely strong (95 miles+) range.

In my Volt I was always hugging the right lane just under the speed limit with the HVAC set to "fan only" to extend range.
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:42 pm

mtndrew1 wrote:What about range?
Of course range should be better (by an average of 10 miles, like the EPA says ?).

But EPA doesn't test heating - where we could see some difference (does Kia have heat pump ?).
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:09 pm

The Kia does have a standard heat pump.

As far as the 9 mile EPA difference, the Leaf's is the result of 100% charging since the 80% option was eliminated for the 2014 model year.

The Kia still has an 80/100% charge selector so the EPA range is equivalent to a 90% charge. At 100% charge it should be 103 miles EPA, 19 miles more than the Leaf, which is nearly 23% greater range. This mirrors my personal experience in driving the Soul.
2018 Tesla Model 3 Long Range (100% charge @ 43k miles shows 5.8% degradation)

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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:48 pm

mtndrew1 wrote:The Kia still has an 80/100% charge selector so the EPA range is equivalent to a 90% charge. At 100% charge it should be 103 miles EPA, 19 miles more than the Leaf, which is nearly 23% greater range. This mirrors my personal experience in driving the Soul.
I didn't realize Soul has the 80% option. That would account for stories of longer range.

How does Kia compare to MBED ?
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:02 pm

evnow wrote: How does Kia compare to MBED ?
No idea, but I'm sure Tony could chime in. The MB is very unusual in that it reports mi/kWh calculated with charging losses and has that goofy Range Package extra capacity so it's tricky to get an apples-to-apples comparison. The one I test drove was reporting 2.8 mi/kWh with a total estimated range of about 80 miles. I don't know how to contrast that with the Leaf or Soul

I'd be curious to hear if the previous poster who has both a Leaf and a Soul in the same household is seeing what I'm interpreting in range differences between the two.
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:51 pm

Range at 62mph (100km ground speed) on dry, hard surface level road with no wind or cabin climate control with new condition battery at 70F, battery capacity is "useable" amount, not advertised amount. Ranges are at maximum available charge and EPA rating is the maximum published.


Nissan

LEAF - 4 miles per kWh (250 wattHours per mile) * 21.3kWh = 85.2 miles / EPA 84



Kia

Soul EV - 4 miles per kWh (250 wattHours per mile) * 27kWh = 108 miles / EPA 93

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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:08 pm

Except "optimal" never happens. I drive hills. To manage the car I watch my average speed. That gives me a good assessment of what I'm doing.

Today, for example I started with 95 range, I averaged 55 mph, which is high, I try to keep it at around 50. What I do is constantly calculate miles drive + miles remaining. It I average 50 the calculation remains stable. If I average more I go down to 92, like today. So on my way back today I either stick with 62-63 mph and over 40 miles I'll bring it up to the 95 combined - or not, and I come home with fewer (6-8) miles remaining on my 83-mile journey.

Heater eats up about 3-4 miles. What's nice about it is that once it heats up it stops using too much energy, so it seems it's better just keep on running it than start stop approach.

Still can't get over how tight the steering is on Sport mode. You hardly ever move the wheel. If cars were zen, this one is it.
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:25 am

mtndrew1 wrote:I'd be curious to hear if the previous poster who has both a Leaf and a Soul in the same household is seeing what I'm interpreting in range differences between the two.
The Leaf is about 18 months old, has about 15K miles, has lost zero bars (I know, right?), and is charged to 100% every night. The Soul is two weeks old, has less than 500 miles on the clock, and charged as needed. When charged to 100%, the displayed range on the Leaf is 93-97 miles and on the Soul is 106-113 miles. Your mileage may vary (ours certainly does!)
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:05 am

tractioninc wrote:When charged to 100%, the displayed range on the Leaf is 93-97 miles and on the Soul is 106-113 miles. Your mileage may vary (ours certainly does!)
I believe the Soul numbers and think the Leaf ones are pretty optimistic.

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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:16 pm

pkulak wrote:
tractioninc wrote:When charged to 100%, the displayed range on the Leaf is 93-97 miles and on the Soul is 106-113 miles. Your mileage may vary (ours certainly does!)
I believe the Soul numbers and think the Leaf ones are pretty optimistic.
My Soul's GOM is always very pessimistic in comparison to what I actually achieve. I don't believe it has ever promised more range than I've actually got from a charge.
2018 Tesla Model 3 Long Range (100% charge @ 43k miles shows 5.8% degradation)

2013 Nissan Leaf S + QC sold with warranty pack replacement (~35% degradation @ ~40k miles)

2015 Kia Soul EV+ Lease returned 10/14/17 45,000 miles w/ 13.8% degradation.

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