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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:55 pm

mtndrew1 wrote: My Soul's GOM is always very pessimistic in comparison to what I actually achieve. I don't believe it has ever promised more range than I've actually got from a charge.
I hope this becomes the new norm for all EVs.
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:02 pm

My Volt had an incredibly accurate GOM as long as the conditions were similar to the previous drive cycle. I'd imagine the Spark is the same but I've never driven one. The Soul is just eternally pessimistic.
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:08 pm

Fair enough, but your Volt has a range-extender on board. As BEVs move to more mainstream customers, they will need to err on the side of caution so as to have a final reserve.
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:24 pm

Soul GOM is very accurate. I do get a kick out it never going up when it regens down hill. I have seen an occasional range jump by 1 mile but only if it dropped just seconds ago. No more of that 11' Leaf GOM craziness...
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:32 pm

Leaf GOM uses only the last few miles driven. If they are on surface roads and the commute is mostly freeway, Leaf will always be optimistic. Using last couple of hundred miles is probably a better way to estimate range - but that will look optimistic when going @ 70 mph.
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:45 pm

evnow wrote:Leaf GOM uses only the last few miles driven. If they are on surface roads and the commute is mostly freeway, Leaf will always be optimistic. Using last couple of hundred miles is probably a better way to estimate range - but that will look optimistic when going @ 70 mph.
The GOM is totally useless in estimating remaining range. It's much more accurate to directly monitor either remaining Ahr or kWh
in estimating remaining range. The GOM distorts the range estimate by including coasting miles which one won't necessarily encounter
for one's remaining trip. All EVs should provide remaining Ahr/kWh (basically a fuel level gauge) besides a GOM (estimated fuel range
as in an ICE). The GOM estimate becomes very inaccurate in long down driving, e.g. 20+ miles.
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 74K miles, 48 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 4.5K miles, 115 Ahrs, 5.5 miles/kWh (average), Hx=98, SOH=99, DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:55 am

mtndrew1 wrote:My Soul's GOM is always very pessimistic in comparison to what I actually achieve. I don't believe it has ever promised more range than I've actually got from a charge.
I find my Soul's range estimate to be a bit optimistic, but I'm positive that it's due to my driving style. I'm used to driving performance cars and make little attempt to drive more efficiently in my Soul than in my other vehicles.
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:40 am

Is there a Soul Spy app in development yet?
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:44 am

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:Is there a Soul Spy app in development yet?
Given the very very limited number of Souls having been sold, it's very very unlikely.
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 74K miles, 48 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
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Re: Official Kia Soul EV thread

Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:52 am

lorenfb wrote:The GOM is totally useless in estimating remaining range. It's much more accurate to directly monitor either remaining Ahr or kWh
in estimating remaining range. The GOM distorts the range estimate by including coasting miles which one won't necessarily encounter
for one's remaining trip. All EVs should provide remaining Ahr/kWh (basically a fuel level gauge) besides a GOM (estimated fuel range
as in an ICE). The GOM estimate becomes very inaccurate in long down driving, e.g. 20+ miles.
kWh would be totally lost on 90% of drivers. GOM can be accurate if the drivers put in the route and the car uses all the available information about the route (like Tesla is trying to do). SOC that is provided is a good proxy for kWh remaining - so is the "ideal" miles Tesla shows.
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