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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:05 am

So Nissan, Ford, and now VW have all bumped up their 80-mile cars to 100-mile cars. Sounds to me like battery tech improves equally, regardless of the car around it ;)

In order to get the 2.5x increase from 80 to 200 miles, you need to do more than improve the battery. You need to make it physically larger. This requires a new platform to accomodate a larger battery. For Nissan, we have seen the IDS concept. And for VW, they keep talking about the upcoming MEB platform, build for EVs. So I have faith that VW will follow suit with a 200 mile BEV in time. Remember that the eGolf lagged the Leaf by almost 4 years! VW is slow to come to the game, but what they have brought to the table thus far have been, IMHO, solid offerings.
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:01 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:So Nissan, Ford, and now VW have all bumped up their 80-mile cars to 100-mile cars. Sounds to me like battery tech improves equally, regardless of the car around it ;)

In order to get the 2.5x increase from 80 to 200 miles, you need to do more than improve the battery. You need to make it physically larger. This requires a new platform to accomodate a larger battery. For Nissan, we have seen the IDS concept. And for VW, they keep talking about the upcoming MEB platform, build for EVs. So I have faith that VW will follow suit with a 200 mile BEV in time. Remember that the eGolf lagged the Leaf by almost 4 years! VW is slow to come to the game, but what they have brought to the table thus far have been, IMHO, solid offerings.
The problem is just that an increase to 100+ miles would have been a fairly big deal in 2014 as a mid-life update for existing cars. Now, it's just "Who cares? I'll wait for 2017 to get twice that." Obviously, VW and all the other manufacturers will follow suit eventually, but if all you've got to offer is a 100 mile BEV and someone else has a 200 mile one for not much more, you can forget sales. Unless the companies that only have 100 mile BEVs are willing to offer huge discounts, I don't see much of a market.
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:25 pm

Sure, we all would have liked to see 100+ mile BEVs in 2014. I'm sure that Nissan/Ford/VW would have loved to have sold them. But the rate of progress on battery tech has not followed our desires. So now Ford and VW are in a tight spot. Their new BEV platforms are not ready yet, but the next gen BEVs are targeted to be released right when they are making the limited improvements allowed by their current platforms.

I don't put Nissan in that bin because I believe the 30kWh Leaf is just a stop-gap to tide them over until the 60kWh Leaf is ready in about 15 months from now. Plus the 30kWh Leaf is on the road today, while the 100-mile Focus/Golf are due to come out right around the same time as the Bolt. Fail.
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:48 am

As if things couldn't get any worse for VW ...

Can electric cars stall? Yes, and VW has the recall to prove it

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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:44 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:So Nissan, Ford, and now VW have all bumped up their 80-mile cars to 100-mile cars. Sounds to me like battery tech improves equally, regardless of the car around it ;)

In order to get the 2.5x increase from 80 to 200 miles, you need to do more than improve the battery. You need to make it physically larger. This requires a new platform to accomodate a larger battery. For Nissan, we have seen the IDS concept. And for VW, they keep talking about the upcoming MEB platform, build for EVs. So I have faith that VW will follow suit with a 200 mile BEV in time. Remember that the eGolf lagged the Leaf by almost 4 years! VW is slow to come to the game, but what they have brought to the table thus far have been, IMHO, solid offerings.
From the site with the piece on eGolfs "stalling":

http://autoweek.com/article/green-cars/ ... la-model-3
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:18 pm

redLEAF wrote:As if things couldn't get any worse for VW ...

Can electric cars stall? Yes, and VW has the recall to prove it

http://autoweek.com/article/recalls/vw- ... z44aONSRWW
VW's fix isjust a quick software update. I had my car done a couple of weeks ago. Nothing nearly as drastic as what VW would have to do to fix the cheating TDI's, if they can fix them at all.

It's also not as bad as what Honda is going through with the Takata airbag recall. A co-worker has a Fit and Honda is providing him a rental until his car is fixed, even though parts may not be available until the end of summer.
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:14 pm

The current e-Golf is 190 kilometers [118 miles] of range on paper and about 120 kilometers [75 miles] in the real world," Volkswagen Group small car development leader Dr. Jocham Böhle explained. "The Golf VIII e-Golf will have 300 kilometers [186 miles] of real-world range – genuinely 300 kilometers – and the current plug-in hybrid has 50 kilometers [31 miles] of electric range and we don't need more than that ... The electrified Golfs will all have 48-volt power. They might not be there right at the start of Golf VIII, but they will be close behind ... That system will go through all the MQB cars, with 48 volts. All hybrids and battery electric MQBs will go to 48 volts.
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:54 pm

I'm guess that he means "48 volt secondary system voltage" and not 48 volt pack voltage. ;-)
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:20 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:I'm guess that he means "48 volt secondary system voltage" and not 48 volt pack voltage. ;-)
Yes, but the 186 mile range in 2018 is what's interesting, and no fear of fed tax credit disappearing. Chances are it will be less expensive than a Tesla 3, and, hopefully, SAE Combo QC network will be more robust in 2-3 years.
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Re: Official VW e-Golf thread - $29,815

Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:23 pm

Until they start offering a heated steering wheel, they are off my radar, but I understand what you mean. FAR-fegnugen, as it were...
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