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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:49 pm
by GRA
ABG:
Toyota Mirai second generation will break cover in 2020
It will benefit from six additional years of engineering experience
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/26/toy ... eneration/

Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:26 pm
by GRA
Been lazy the past couple of months and haven't posted the U.S. Mirai sales numbers, but they were 98 in August. If I can find July's # I'll post it.

Update: Found it. 126 in July.

Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:23 pm
by GRA
U.S. September Mirai sales, 62.

Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:13 am
by cwerdna
^^^
Those sales numbers are comical. I really wonder if it was worth it for Toyota to go that direction for CA ZEV credits vs. building another compliance BEV.

Meanwhile, for the last few months, Tesla seems to be selling over 10K units/month in the US.

Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:56 pm
by GRA
cwerdna wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:13 am
^^^
Those sales numbers are comical. I really wonder if it was worth it for Toyota to go that direction for CA ZEV credits vs. building another compliance BEV.

Meanwhile, for the last few months, Tesla seems to be selling over 10K units/month in the US.

Yes, the Mirai really needs to look better and add some range. Still, I see them locally a fair amount, and now that the H2 supply problem appears to be under control and new station openings can start up again, we'll see if things improve. But the biggest issue remains the price of the cars and the fuel.

As to Tesla, their U.S. sales trend doesn't look good, although I expect we'll see another spike starting in November and increasing in December as people rush to beat the subsidy expiration.

Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:19 pm
by mux
I wonder if the new Mirai will even be able to increase range; with the stations being standardized at 700 bar and the non-interior space in a sedan being about as fully packed as it can already be, I wonder where the additional pressure vessels could sit. They're already underperforming w.r.t. most BEVs in both effective range and charging speed, so they need to up their game if they want to make the new properly series produced Mirai a success!

Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:26 pm
by LeftieBiker
mux wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:19 pm
I wonder if the new Mirai will even be able to increase range; with the stations being standardized at 700 bar and the non-interior space in a sedan being about as fully packed as it can already be, I wonder where the additional pressure vessels could sit. They're already underperforming w.r.t. most BEVs in both effective range and charging speed, so they need to up their game if they want to make the new properly series produced Mirai a success!

They could put the additional tanks in outboard nacelles. You know, like Star Trek. ;)


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Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:10 am
by mux
I would genuinely consider something that ridiculous from an arch-conservative manufacturer like Toyota.

Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:13 am
by GetOffYourGas
cwerdna wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:13 am
^^^
Those sales numbers are comical. I really wonder if it was worth it for Toyota to go that direction for CA ZEV credits vs. building another compliance BEV.

Meanwhile, for the last few months, Tesla seems to be selling over 10K units/month in the US.
If Toyota went with a BEV, they couldn't continue to make their claim that they are building the future. It would either be trying to catch up with Tesla (admitting they are behind), or an obvious compliance play (admitting they aren't serious).

With a FCEV, Toyota can still trumpet the claim that they are "leap-frogging" the current crop of BEVs. It may be more expensive, but hey that's the price of building the "true" future technology. At least some people are buying it. Maybe even the leadership at Toyota.

Re: Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:30 pm
by LeftieBiker
I should probably take down that picture, huh?