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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:11 am

If you believe that Tesla is not going to build any more plants in the US, then you're right in that they won't bring a $25K car to the US. If instead you believe that Tesla will build several more plants in the US, each with increasing automation and cost reductions, then the $25K Tesla becomes inevitable. I expect that Tesla will have 10 plants in the US by 2030. And yes I do own Tesla stock.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:55 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:14 am
I have decided that a rated mile is just Tesla's version of a GID.
It isn't widely understood, to put it mildly, but Tesla's EPA Rated Miles (RM) is actually a fuel gauge. It is not, and was not intended to be, an estimate of how far the car can go. Rather, RM is the current SOC (Wh) of the battery times the EPA rated efficiency of the car, in miles/Wh. The only way one would get the displayed RM in range would be to drive at precisely the EPA rated efficiency of the car, which, of course, rarely happens.

Since this concept is confusing to Tesla newcomers, many of us recommend changing the display to %SOC and ignoring RM entirely. (It helps that Tesla navigation displays the real time estimate of %SOC at the selected destination in percent, not RM, so displaying RM isn't really useful anyway.)

At high freeway speeds the car uses more energy per mile than EPA rated efficiency. At lower speeds the car will use less energy than than EPA rated efficiency.

My S-60 is rated at 300 Wh/mile (= 3.33 miles/kWh) — yes, that's a lot worse than a Model 3! — and over the last 57,000 miles I have averaged about 270 Wh/mile (3.70 miles/kWh), despite tens of thousands of miles of freeway travel on road trips and living in a four seasons climate for local driving. So, on average, I beat the EPA rated efficiency quite handily, FWIW.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:51 pm

My 2019 through 2020 average for my Leaf SV+ is 4.2 miles/kWh (per Nissan Comnect), well above the epa in the sticker. I believe EV drivers, once they understand the dynamics, easily outperform their sticker, but they are good at setting expectations for new drivers. (I don't have a good way to estimate lifetime for the S+)

I still like the look of the model S over the 3/Y. Maybe one day when my kids are through college and I feel really crazy I will splurge on a base S.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:02 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:51 pm
My 2019 through 2020 average for my Leaf SV+ is 4.2 miles/kWh (per Nissan Comnect), well above the epa in the sticker. I believe EV drivers, once they understand the dynamics, easily outperform their sticker, but they are good at setting expectations for new drivers. (I don't have a good way to estimate lifetime for the S+)

I still like the look of the model S over the 3/Y. Maybe one day when my kids are through college and I feel really crazy I will splurge on a base S.
Us as well. The S is a classy lady. We enjoy our 3 and it’s a good, quick fun to drive car. But the S feels like a step up for sure. Very possibly in our future. But in 4 years there will be more choices. Time will tell.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:05 pm

I am very happy with my recent delivery. It shines with the ceramic wax I applied myself and the paint is lovely. Maiden voyage went smoothly.
To be fair, my LEAFs and Bolt EV were also made well but the Model 3 is especially enjoyable.
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Hey! Elon knows that Tesla fan, er, enthusiasts want their cars RIGHT NOW! They don't want to wait for them to be completely assembled and checked. And Tesla is never going to be able to sell everyone on the planet a Model 3 if they have to, you know, build them carefully...
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:15 pm

Please let us know how you feel real world range compared to your Bolt. Similarly, let us know the comparative efficiency you get with the 3 SR+ vs. Bolt (and vs. Leaf).
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:40 pm

First 1000 miles with SR+ mostly in Chill Mode:
198Wh/mi (about 5mi/kWh) LEAF S30 and BoltEV were 4.5. LEAF eco mode was no fun to use and BoltEV only had a sport mode.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:03 pm

Is that mixed driving? How much of it at highway speed?
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 04, 2021 1:03 pm

It does not seem to matter much whether city or highway for me. The car must have really good aerodynamics to not consume a lot of power at 70 mph. My last freeway trip was 275 miles and 207 Wh/mi.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue May 04, 2021 3:05 pm

EVforRobert wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 1:03 pm
It does not seem to matter much whether city or highway for me. The car must have really good aerodynamics to not consume a lot of power at 70 mph. My last freeway trip was 275 miles and 207 Wh/mi.
It should be a big difference because of the air friction at higher speeds, speeds below 55 MPH should give you numbers quite high (given your good high speed numbers), but I'm not sure how easy it is to separate that on a Tesla, never had much time to play with the interface on one.
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