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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:17 pm

lpickup wrote:They could be allowing a deeper discharge. They could have tweaked something to make the drivetrain more efficient.
What, specifically ? Certainly not cell discharge below 2.6V.
And why would it not extend to the AWD or Tesla MR ?
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:41 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:I wonder if the SR and SR partial premium models are software limited MR batteries? It would make manufacturing much easier and offer the option to open up the battery later for a fee (or when Tesla takes them back as trade-ins).
I'm sure the SR point was already answered in the conference call or another place. It was stated that the battery is different. I googled but couldn't figure out the right keywords to drill down on this specific topic!
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Re: $40K Tesla Electric Car Debut Possible at 2015 NAIAS

Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:04 pm

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evnow wrote: I really doubt any of the German luxury car makers can make anything close to 3 in price - anytime soon. By "soon" I mean in next 5 years. But in those 5 years - Tesla will be further along with Y & Pickup and …. I'd be very worried if I was a BMW dealer now.
Well...If BMW wanted to make a sparsely appointed 220 mile range EV for 35K, I think they could. But I don't think that's their business model. They're going to make a 400 mile range EV (X3, 4 series) with luxury appointments. Look at the price of a model 3 long range with all the bells and whistles. This would compare to a BMW, price wise.
"Making" is not the thing - can they make in volume and be profitable ?

From various reports I've seen - not anytime soon.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:06 pm

palmermd wrote:Two things. You quoted a five year old post. The op was right BMW and other Germans did not put out anything to match that spec. But it also took Tesla 5 years to do it as well.

It'll be interesting to see the industry reaction over the next six months.
The 5 year old post was in response to what I had predicted - 5 years back. So makes sense to quote that, right ? That says nothing about Germans - just that Tesla would put out a 200+ mile range 3, instead of anything smaller like some were saying.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:10 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:I wonder if the SR and SR partial premium models are software limited MR batteries? It would make manufacturing much easier and offer the option to open up the battery later for a fee (or when Tesla takes them back as trade-ins).
Speculation in TMC is that the new German machines can probably make blank modules and put them in the pack. So, they can easily make batteries of different sizes.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:03 am

evnow wrote:
dgpcolorado wrote:I wonder if the SR and SR partial premium models are software limited MR batteries? It would make manufacturing much easier and offer the option to open up the battery later for a fee (or when Tesla takes them back as trade-ins).
Speculation in TMC is that the new German machines can probably make blank modules and put them in the pack. So, they can easily make batteries of different sizes.
I think you are right when it comes to the MR and SR difference. I still think it is possible that the SR and SR+ are the same battery, with the former being a software limited version of the latter. We will know soon once deliveries have been made.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:44 am

dgpcolorado wrote:I think you are right when it comes to the MR and SR difference. I still think it is possible that the SR and SR+ are the same battery, with the former being a software limited version of the latter. We will know soon once deliveries have been made.
Well - we'll see soon enough.

If what Musk is describing as Game of Pennies is true - the hundreds of dollars of difference in battery cost between SR & SR+ would be a big deal. It could be the difference between positive and negative margins.

ps : I don't think the take rate for upgrading will be high - given just 20 miles of difference. And also, how much would that cost … $1k ? They could have bought SR+ for just $2k more and would get better interior.

Tesla would like to sell AP & FSD and get multiple thousands, rather than <$1k for battery unlocking.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:29 pm

Non-Tesla graphics but they seem good.
Old AP, EAP, FSD options
New AP, FSD options

Via: https://insideevs.com/recent-changes-te ... ilability/

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:22 pm

The cost for people who bought a Model 3 prior to 2/27/2019
AP - $2,000
FSD - $3,000 + AP
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:33 pm

This tweet indicates today's purchased FSD will come with HW3.

Via: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1101737858870755329
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