cwerdna
Posts: 9988
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:31 pm
Delivery Date: 28 Jul 2013
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:11 pm

Apologies if this is a repost:

U.S. safety agencies to investigate fatal Tesla crash in Florida
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesl ... SKCN1QJ031

US agencies investigate fatal Tesla Model 3 crash in Florida
https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/03/us- ... ida-crash/
It's not yet clear if Autopilot was involved
...
American safety officials are looking into the circumstances surrounding another fatal Tesla crash. Both the NTSB and the NHTSA have confirmed that they're investigating a collision between a Model 3 and a semi truck in Delray Beach, Florida on March 1st. According to the police report, the truck was turning left to enter a main thoroughfare when the Model 3 crashed into the semi's trailer, shearing off the car's roof and killing the driver. It's not certain if Autopilot was active, although the Model 3 kept traveling for more than 500 yards before coming to a stop.

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

LeftieBiker
Moderator
Posts: 13730
Joined: Wed May 22, 2013 3:17 am
Delivery Date: 30 Apr 2018
Location: Upstate New York, US

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:18 pm

I saw it posted somewhere this week, but don't remember if it was here or elsewhere.
Scarlet Ember 2018 Leaf SL W/ Pro Pilot
2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, & 3 EZIP E-bicycles.
BAFX OBDII Dongle
PLEASE don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

lorenfb
Posts: 2296
Joined: Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:53 pm
Delivery Date: 22 Nov 2013
Leaf Number: 416635
Location: SoCal

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:46 am

cwerdna wrote:Apologies if this is a repost:

U.S. safety agencies to investigate fatal Tesla crash in Florida
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesl ... SKCN1QJ031

US agencies investigate fatal Tesla Model 3 crash in Florida
https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/03/us- ... ida-crash/
It's not yet clear if Autopilot was involved
...
American safety officials are looking into the circumstances surrounding another fatal Tesla crash. Both the NTSB and the NHTSA have confirmed that they're investigating a collision between a Model 3 and a semi truck in Delray Beach, Florida on March 1st. According to the police report, the truck was turning left to enter a main thoroughfare when the Model 3 crashed into the semi's trailer, shearing off the car's roof and killing the driver. It's not certain if Autopilot was active, although the Model 3 kept traveling for more than 500 yards before coming to a stop.
Same basic crash that also occurred in FL with a semi trailer (perpendicular to an oncoming vehicle) to a MS a few years ago.
That driver was assumed to be watching a video. Basically the MS AP didn't "see" the trailer body.

If the AP was activated, have to love Tesla's use of a neural network approach to AP technology, right? You have thought that
Tesla would have fully simulated every possible scenario involving a left turning semi with an oncoming Tesla vehicle when
using AP after the earlier MS crash.
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 74K miles, 48 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 4.5K miles, 115 Ahrs, 5.5 miles/kWh (average), Hx=98, SOH=99, DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

SageBrush
Posts: 4907
Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:28 am
Delivery Date: 13 Feb 2017
Location: NM

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:53 am

lorenfb wrote: If the AP was activated, have to love Tesla's use of a neural network approach to AP technology, right? You have thought that
Tesla would have fully simulated every possible scenario involving a left turning semi with an oncoming Tesla vehicle when
using AP after the earlier MS crash.
It has been extensively simulated and Tesla knows that its system cannot reliably recognize the above mentioned scenario.

By the way, there are ~ 200 - 400 similar accidents each year in the US unrelated to assisted driving technology. The Europeans require trucks to have a shield to prevent this type of accident and the US should too.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
-----
2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

lorenfb
Posts: 2296
Joined: Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:53 pm
Delivery Date: 22 Nov 2013
Leaf Number: 416635
Location: SoCal

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:54 am

lorenfb wrote:
cwerdna wrote:Apologies if this is a repost:

U.S. safety agencies to investigate fatal Tesla crash in Florida
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesl ... SKCN1QJ031

US agencies investigate fatal Tesla Model 3 crash in Florida
https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/03/us- ... ida-crash/
It's not yet clear if Autopilot was involved
...
American safety officials are looking into the circumstances surrounding another fatal Tesla crash. Both the NTSB and the NHTSA have confirmed that they're investigating a collision between a Model 3 and a semi truck in Delray Beach, Florida on March 1st. According to the police report, the truck was turning left to enter a main thoroughfare when the Model 3 crashed into the semi's trailer, shearing off the car's roof and killing the driver. It's not certain if Autopilot was active, although the Model 3 kept traveling for more than 500 yards before coming to a stop.
Same basic crash that also occurred in FL with a semi trailer (perpendicular to an oncoming vehicle) to a MS a few years ago.
That driver was assumed to be watching a video. Basically the MS AP didn't "see" the trailer body.

If the AP was activated, have to love Tesla's use of a neural network approach to AP technology, right? You have thought that
Tesla would have fully simulated every possible scenario involving a left turning semi with an oncoming Tesla vehicle when
using AP after the earlier MS crash.
Here's the link of the earlier MS crash in FL;

https://www.businessinsider.com/details ... sed-2017-6
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 74K miles, 48 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 4.5K miles, 115 Ahrs, 5.5 miles/kWh (average), Hx=98, SOH=99, DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

lorenfb
Posts: 2296
Joined: Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:53 pm
Delivery Date: 22 Nov 2013
Leaf Number: 416635
Location: SoCal

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:01 am

SageBrush wrote:
lorenfb wrote: If the AP was activated, have to love Tesla's use of a neural network approach to AP technology, right? You have thought that
Tesla would have fully simulated every possible scenario involving a left turning semi with an oncoming Tesla vehicle when
using AP after the earlier MS crash.
It has been extensively simulated and Tesla knows that its system cannot reliably recognize the above mentioned scenario.

By the way, there are ~ 200 - 400 similar accidents each year in the US unrelated to assisted driving technology. The Europeans require trucks to have a shield to prevent this type of accident and the US should too.
Then Tesla needs to augment the AP system design or just stop using the term AP and just call it gen2 ACC.
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 74K miles, 48 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 4.5K miles, 115 Ahrs, 5.5 miles/kWh (average), Hx=98, SOH=99, DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

SageBrush
Posts: 4907
Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:28 am
Delivery Date: 13 Feb 2017
Location: NM

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:56 am

lorenfb wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
lorenfb wrote: If the AP was activated, have to love Tesla's use of a neural network approach to AP technology, right? You have thought that
Tesla would have fully simulated every possible scenario involving a left turning semi with an oncoming Tesla vehicle when
using AP after the earlier MS crash.
It has been extensively simulated and Tesla knows that its system cannot reliably recognize the above mentioned scenario.

By the way, there are ~ 200 - 400 similar accidents each year in the US unrelated to assisted driving technology. The Europeans require trucks to have a shield to prevent this type of accident and the US should too.
Then Tesla needs to augment the AP system design or just stop using the term AP and just call it gen2 ACC.
"Pro-pilot" is equally deceiving.

I'm partial to "Co-pilot" myself, to emphasize that the human driver must stay engaged.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
-----
2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

lorenfb
Posts: 2296
Joined: Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:53 pm
Delivery Date: 22 Nov 2013
Leaf Number: 416635
Location: SoCal

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:42 pm

SageBrush wrote:
lorenfb wrote:
SageBrush wrote: It has been extensively simulated and Tesla knows that its system cannot reliably recognize the above mentioned scenario.

By the way, there are ~ 200 - 400 similar accidents each year in the US unrelated to assisted driving technology. The Europeans require trucks to have a shield to prevent this type of accident and the US should too.
Then Tesla needs to augment the AP system design or just stop using the term AP and just call it gen2 ACC.
"Pro-pilot" is equally deceiving.

I'm partial to "Co-pilot" myself, to emphasize that the human driver must stay engaged.
Personally, I don't even enjoy using any form of assisted driving on my vehicles.
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 74K miles, 48 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 4.5K miles, 115 Ahrs, 5.5 miles/kWh (average), Hx=98, SOH=99, DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

palmermd
Posts: 2609
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:19 pm
Delivery Date: 31 Mar 2011
Leaf Number: 1100011011
Location: Hermosa Beach, CA

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:36 pm

lorenfb wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
lorenfb wrote:
Then Tesla needs to augment the AP system design or just stop using the term AP and just call it gen2 ACC.
"Pro-pilot" is equally deceiving.

I'm partial to "Co-pilot" myself, to emphasize that the human driver must stay engaged.
Personally, I don't even enjoy using any form of assisted driving on my vehicles.
then the $35k base Model 3 should be perfect. It does not come with any driver assist. It is what I ordered, and I don't think I'll miss it.
Michael

Leaf from 31 March 2011 - Traded 18 April 2018 for Tesla Model 3 Unicorn
Driving electric since 1996


Leaf Bar Loss

User avatar
EVDRIVER
Moderator
Posts: 6728
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:51 am

Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:43 pm

lorenfb wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
lorenfb wrote:
Then Tesla needs to augment the AP system design or just stop using the term AP and just call it gen2 ACC.
"Pro-pilot" is equally deceiving.

I'm partial to "Co-pilot" myself, to emphasize that the human driver must stay engaged.
Personally, I don't even enjoy using any form of assisted driving on my vehicles.
Which one of you “vehicles” has this feature that you don’t like to use and why? What don’t you like about the feature and what are the differences between each vehicle?

Return to “Other Electric Cars & Plug-In Hybrids”