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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:30 am

I've gone to zero propulsion in both the Leaf and the Tesla. One time with the Tesla and towing 7 thousand pounds, I got caught in rapidly dropping temperature along with sleet, rain and then snowstorm. The estimated range was thrown way off and I ran 5 miles short of the Supercharger. Another time though, not towing, I made it to the supercharger when the temps rapidly dropped and went successfully past zero by a couple of miles. I had slowed my speed to 25 mph. When I hooked up to charge, the battery would not initially charge for about 20 minutes until the battery heater warmed it up enough to accept charge. The car knew not to use energy to prep for charge ahead of time to conserve for the negative miles it was facing.
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*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:53 am

The 62 Leaf does in fact have significant range below 1%. Last night I drove 7-8 or so miles after dash went to 1% and never hit very low battery. Leafspy showed about a 16-18 mile range plus the 3% buffer I try to avoid using.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:10 am

GRA posted:
GRA wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:04 pm
IEVS: Insider Gives Some Battery Charging Tips For The Tesla Model 3
This is a link to an article about a Youtube video full of incorrect tips.

And this article is *WRONG*.
It is always better to check the total capacity of the Tesla Model 3 battery pack in percentage than in miles. You should always park it overnight with a 90% charge, at least. These are some of the tips the EVlectric YouTube channel claims to have obtained from a person that helped design the Model 3 battery packs.
And who is the "insider" that gave these bogus tips?
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:19 am

cwerdna wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:31 pm
To add to what Sage said about Bjorn, there have been cases where Tesla drivers (I believe not with 3's) have run out with >0 showing on their "GOM".

One of the nice things about Tesla is that, unlike the LEAF, the range display is not a "GOM". It's the remaining battery capacity times the rated milage for the particular model (E.g,. a 3 RWD is different than a P3).
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:20 am

I would like a usable kWh remaining on the dash (or in a available center console view). That would basically negate the in travel need for LeafSpy.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:59 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:20 am
I would like a usable kWh remaining on the dash (or in a available center console view). That would basically negate the in travel need for LeafSpy.
Do you also want a gallons-remaining display in an ICE?
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:02 am

That would be great. The analog gauge in our minivan is very approximate. The range remaining number it has is also not accurate.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:33 pm

jlv wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:10 am
GRA posted:
GRA wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:04 pm
IEVS: Insider Gives Some Battery Charging Tips For The Tesla Model 3
This is a link to an article about a Youtube video full of incorrect tips.

And this article is *WRONG*.
It is always better to check the total capacity of the Tesla Model 3 battery pack in percentage than in miles. You should always park it overnight with a 90% charge, at least. These are some of the tips the EVlectric YouTube channel claims to have obtained from a person that helped design the Model 3 battery packs.
And who is the "insider" that gave these bogus tips?
The article points out that there are questionable "tips" included, and suggests that the reader decide which ones they should follow.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:48 pm

GRA wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:56 pm
IEVS:
Finnish Goods Inspection Finds Tesla Model 3 Paint Is Soft And Thin
https://insideevs.com/news/363399/tesla ... t-fragile/
Which leads to peeling and chipping marks after just one month of use. <snip>
Follow up IEVS article to above:
Impressed By The Finnish Tesla Model 3 Paint Problems? Hold My Beer
https://insideevs.com/news/363703/more- ... -problems/
When we first told you the sad story of Joni Savolainen with his brand-new Tesla Model 3, we knew he did not need the aid of the goods inspection of the Finnish Chamber of Commerce to realize how bad things were with his car. He just needed someone to attest that for courts. Savolainen had enough time to get the whole picture. And it is ugly.

That first video dates from May 18. On July 21st, Savolainen shot the video above presenting all the areas in his car that lacked proper painting. The video starts in Finnish, then he gives his only words in English explaining what is its purpose. All the rest is self-explanatory.

In this other video, Savolainen checks a friend’s car. Although it is entirely in Finnish, and has no subtitles, put it in mute in case you are not familiar with the language or simply feels it uncomfortable to listen. But don't miss the footage.

His friend’s luck is even lower than his. The rockers present rust signals and all the other problems his car had, but this video is more important due to its description than due to its images.

Savolainen says in the title his inspection is a clear proof that there is a “Tesla, Fremont robots’ failure on programming”. As an IT guy, he may know what he is talking about, but presents no evidence to support that. If you know Savolainen, ask him to get in touch with us.

The unhappy Finnish Model 3 owner also posts nine links of forum discussions, videos and even news regarding the problem. It seems to be much more serious in Canada, where the Model 3 units are not so recent as the ones delivered in Finland and, therefore, are more prone to rust. Check the video below and remember your French classes.

This news comes from TVA Nouvelles and was broadcasted last May 17. It tells the sad story of Roger-Pierre Gravel. He was one of the first Quebeckers to order a Model 3 and paid CND$60,000 ($45,200) for it. After only one year of use, his EV is as damaged as the images show. Pretty bad for such a new car, actually.

“The vehicle is poorly designed. It is the debris on the road that will hit the rear wing and make the paint peel," he said TVA Nouvelles. And that is confirmed by Guillaume André, one of the owners of Véhicules Électriques Simon André, an EV-specialized shop.

André does not know that solely by watching Model 3 units with this problem enter his shop. "It happened on my own vehicle after only 5,000 km. The problems are the shape and design. The wheels project the rocks over the entire length of the vehicle. The paint flakes and it makes the vehicle rust.”

His solution was fitting mudflaps to his Model 3. But that will not be enough for this client. At least not now. . . .

Savolainen and Gravel have created a Facebook group with affected owners – with 528 members, so far – and a group complaint at NoNoNo.com against the EV manufacturer. "Evidently, Tesla is claiming these issues are not within its warranty. We find this disrespectful towards customers," they say in the group complaint. . . .
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:05 am

jlv wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:19 am
cwerdna wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:31 pm
To add to what Sage said about Bjorn, there have been cases where Tesla drivers (I believe not with 3's) have run out with >0 showing on their "GOM".

One of the nice things about Tesla is that, unlike the LEAF, the range display is not a "GOM". It's the remaining battery capacity times the rated milage for the particular model (E.g,. a 3 RWD is different than a P3).
That's why I put it in quotes. Although it doesn't behave like the GOMs on Leafs and Bolts, running out when a Tesla "GOM" reads above 0 makes it ummmm... GOM-like. And, if your efficiency if worse than whatever miles/kWh (or Wh/miles) constants Tesla chose, the range meter or whatever will decrease by more than the # of miles driven.

Having the Leaf GOM turn to --- miles and eventually the % SoC display to ---% I'd argue is somewhat preferable to running out w/a range estimator showing miles or sometimes double-digit miles supposedly available. The former at least creates a sense of urgency and can convey "all bets are off", you'd better charge now!

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