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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:15 pm

All this assumes that you are constantly putting your destination into the computer.

Personally, While I use the GPS on on occasion, wont use it for most common routes, even ones hundreds of miles, and find the Leaf gom pretty good, way better than the 2013 gom.

It’s funny (again I really like Tesla cars and was outvoted to get one) is that the is one gripe my colleagues have is that don’t like the Tesla range system. They refer to the range shown as electric miles and that its takes more then one electric mile to do a real mile in their X and 3.

I don’t have enough time time in a Tesla to comment, but found the commentary interestingness contrary to this thread. The videos showing % remaining on arrival look pretty impressive.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:43 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:15 pm
All this assumes that you are constantly putting your destination into the computer.
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Only if you are constantly driving hundreds of miles to different destinations.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:48 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:15 pm
All this assumes that you are constantly putting your destination into the computer.

Personally, While I use the GPS on on occasion, wont use it for most common routes, even ones hundreds of miles, and find the Leaf gom pretty good, way better than the 2013 gom.

It’s funny (again I really like Tesla cars and was outvoted to get one) is that the is one gripe my colleagues have is that don’t like the Tesla range system. They refer to the range shown as electric miles and that its takes more then one electric mile to do a real mile in their X and 3.

I don’t have enough time time in a Tesla to comment, but found the commentary interestingness contrary to this thread. The videos showing % remaining on arrival look pretty impressive.
You should already have an idea of how much battery you'd consume for the routes that you drive often, even long ones. If it's hundreds of miles, where you need to charge in between, or the consumption will vary significantly enough due to wind speed, then it just seems prudent to use the NAV to get that % remaining on arrival estimate.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:12 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:15 pm
It’s funny (again I really like Tesla cars and was outvoted to get one) is that the is one gripe my colleagues have is that don’t like the Tesla range system. They refer to the range shown as electric miles and that its takes more then one electric mile to do a real mile in their X and 3.
Interesting. I have found the rated range to be dead on for my 2013 model S85. I typically drive 69 MPH on the freeway. If I start a long drive with 200 miles of rated range (80% charge for me) and drive 120 miles the rated range left is usually close to 80 miles. This is true even when I drive from 240 feet elevation up to 4100 feet elevation in the mountains and back again to my house. As long as I am doing a round trip the rated range is a very close approximation for me. Yesterday I started with 222 miles of rated range, drove 130 miles including up to 6100 feet in the mountains and back to home at 240 feet elevation. I ended up with 84 miles of rated range so at total of 214 miles (84+130) were accounted for. Probably was a little less than the 222 miles due to having 3 people in the car with our day packs and climbing over 5000 feet (we did get quite a bit back on the way down, of course). I think that is damn good. No complaints here. All depends on how your drive.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:36 am

I think that’s it. They regularly tell me they prefer 80 on the highway as their standard speed and as the Tesla gom doesn’t adjust down due to driving style, he and she don’t feel they can trust stated miles when charged.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:47 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:36 am
I think that’s it. They regularly tell me they prefer 80 on the highway as their standard speed and as the Tesla gom doesn’t adjust down due to driving style, he and she don’t feel they can trust stated miles when charged.
The Tesla doesn't have a guess-o-meter (gom). The rated range is if you drive 65-70 MPH and don't hot rod around at slower speeds. The advantage of rated range is that it lets you know how/if the capacity of your battery pack is changing. It might be useful for some owners if Tesla also had a "My range" where you could put in your highway speed and get a more accurate estimate. How far off do the owners say the range is from the rated range when they drive 80 MPH? Air resistance would be about 30% more at 80 MPH.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:57 am

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:22 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:36 am
I think that’s it. They regularly tell me they prefer 80 on the highway as their standard speed and as the Tesla gom doesn’t adjust down due to driving style, he and she don’t feel they can trust stated miles when charged.
What you, or your colleagues, are miscalling the "gom" is just a fuel gauge. If it is confusing to have a fuel gauge displaying "electric miles" they should just switch it to %SoC and leave it that way. Navigation, however, DOES adjust down — or up — for driving style (as well as weather and the like). That's what should be used if the range is limiting on a long trip. [As it happens, over the last 73,000 miles my actual miles have been substantially higher than the rated miles (meaning that I drive at better than the EPA rated efficiency for my car); this is quite common in the Tesla community but it does depend on driving style and where one lives.]

The thing is, with large battery cars — such as any Tesla, the Bolt and recent model LEAFs — range simply doesn't matter for most local driving. One plugs the car in overnight and leaves home each day with a "full tank." As long as the range is much more than typical daily driving, it doesn't matter and kvetching about how the fuel gauge display works makes no sense. It is only on long trips that range matters and with Tesla navigation that information is displayed in an easy-to-use and accurate form.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:27 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:36 am
I think that’s it. They regularly tell me they prefer 80 on the highway as their standard speed and as the Tesla gom doesn’t adjust down due to driving style.
Tell them to use the estimated destination SoC. It adjusts for driving speed and road/weather conditions.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:36 pm

I use percent on my Tesla, it has been incredibly accurate and more accurate than any gauge on any gas or EV vehicle I have even owned. It is amazing how well it works. Anyone that complains about it needs to show any system that even comes close.

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