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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri May 26, 2017 3:49 pm

Current pack production is by handicraft, and early model 3 production likely to be biased toward larger (~74 kWh) packs, according to gigareport below.
Tesla Invest $216 Million Into Model 3 Battery Line At Gigafactory

...According to our source, the first battery modules for Model 3 test vehicles are being hand-built by a team 150 employees over a 24 hour shift. The source tells Teslarati via Teslanomics (video below) that it takes approximately 10 minutes to complete 1 section of a battery module with 2 employees moving 2170 lithium ion battery cells from a box and into the battery module. There are a total of 7 sections in each battery module. The manual production has been taking place for “several months now” according to our source, who says Tesla is currently building approximately 20 Model 3 battery modules per day by hand...

According to our source, the base Model 3, as of now, will start at 60kWh. This capacity comes in higher than what we originally expected and will meet the “at least 215 miles” of range that Tesla had first announced for the vehicle. Tesla is reportedly concentrating on the production of the premium battery at first, which is slated to be 74kWh, and likely badged as a Tesla Model 3 75...
http://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3- ... factory-1/
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri May 26, 2017 4:26 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
Tesla Invest $216 Million Into Model 3 Battery Line At Gigafactory
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According to our source, the base Model 3, as of now, will start at 60kWh. This capacity comes in higher than what we originally expected and will meet the “at least 215 miles” of range that Tesla had first announced for the vehicle. Tesla is reportedly concentrating on the production of the premium battery at first, which is slated to be 74kWh, and likely badged as a Tesla Model 3 75...
http://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3- ... factory-1/
I'll be very surprised if the base battery doesn't provide at least 239 miles of range ;) It's bigger than they said it would be back a year or so ago.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun May 28, 2017 8:29 am

I posted this in a different thread, but I suppose I should post it here, too.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun May 28, 2017 8:36 am

Updated comparison of Model 3 with Model S ... less than half the trunk space, less customization possibilities, confirmation on wheel sizes, etc.


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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun May 28, 2017 9:17 am

If TSLA sells a significant fraction of the total number of model Threes it has projected, we should expect to find public DC charge stations Tesla'd frequently, whenever nearby proprietary "superchargers" are crowded.

Thank you, Tesla, for your generous policy of:

Our chargers are ours, and yours we can share...
Two Tesla Model 3 prototypes spotted at a CCS/CHAdeMO charging station

...Yesterday, two Model 3 release candidates were spotted by Nick Baum on Lombard Street in San Francisco. Later on, the same two vehicles were spotted by Addison Conzet at a CCS/CHAdeMO public charging station (pictures by Addison Conzet):

While it resulted in some of the best shots of the Model 3 release candidates so far, Conzet couldn’t get one of the vehicles charging, but it begs the question “why would they park there if not to charge?”...
https://electrek.co/2017/05/27/tesla-mo ... g-station/

For the same reason any vehicle blocks a DC site without charging.

The drivers are a**holes.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun May 28, 2017 9:50 am

edatoakrun wrote:If TSLA sells a significant fraction of the total number of model Threes it has projected, we should expect to find public DC charge stations Tesla'd frequently, whenever nearby proprietary "superchargers" are crowded.

Thank you, Tesla, for your generous policy of:

Our chargers are ours, and yours we can share... ...
Perhaps not. It takes a $450 adapter for a Tesla to use Chademo; how many Model 3 owners will buy one? Very few, would be my guess. There is a possibility that the Model 3 will eventually get a CCS port; quite likely in Europe, less certain here. But that's not Chademo.

Anyway, Tesla and its customers paid for those Superchargers. Did you pay for the Chademo DCFC stations? How are they "yours?" Meanwhile, Tesla is massively expanding the Supercharger network to accommodate increased numbers of cars on the road from Model 3 production. Tesla also gives away L2 "wall chargers" to hotels, restaurants, cities, and other entities, who are willing to install them for their patrons or visitors, to use for destination charging — many hundreds so far. In addition to the Tesla WCs, they also often give Clipper Creek L2 EVSEs to the same establishments so that they can be used by any EV. The goal is to promote and support EVs and long distance travel.

I have my issues with Tesla at times but, still, your profoundly jaundiced view of everything Tesla is really quite remarkable!
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Sun May 28, 2017 1:53 pm

We recently went to a winery in Kelowna BC. Both the Tesla destination charger and the clipper creek charger were provided by Tesla to the winery owner. Thanks TESLA. From a Nissan Leaf and Smart ED owner.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun May 28, 2017 4:40 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:If TSLA sells a significant fraction of the total number of model Threes it has projected, we should expect to find public DC charge stations Tesla'd frequently, whenever nearby proprietary "superchargers" are crowded.

Thank you, Tesla, for your generous policy of:

Our chargers are ours, and yours we can share... ...
Perhaps not. It takes a $450 adapter for a Tesla to use Chademo; how many Model 3 owners will buy one? Very few, would be my guess. There is a possibility that the Model 3 will eventually get a CCS port; quite likely in Europe, less certain here. But that's not Chademo.

Anyway, Tesla and its customers paid for those Superchargers. Did you pay for the Chademo DCFC stations? How are they "yours?" Meanwhile, Tesla is massively expanding the Supercharger network to accommodate increased numbers of cars on the road from Model 3 production. Tesla also gives away L2 "wall chargers" to hotels, restaurants, cities, and other entities, who are willing to install them for their patrons or visitors, to use for destination charging — many hundreds so far. In addition to the Tesla WCs, they also often give Clipper Creek L2 EVSEs to the same establishments so that they can be used by any EV. The goal is to promote and support EVs and long distance travel.

I have my issues with Tesla at times but, still, your profoundly jaundiced view of everything Tesla is really quite remarkable!
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 29, 2017 9:39 am

X post below, to on-topic comment at:

Business model of TSLA "free...forever" charge network

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=110

It's quite striking that many Tesla owners do not comprehend the degree of control TSLA exerts over them by denying them access to any public chargers (DC charging stations) unless they make a large payment to buy into TSLA's own network, a network to which it also bars public access to all other BEVs.

As long as TSLA maintains this policy, Tesla vehicles will only interact with the public charging infrastructure only parasitically, reducing access and dependability of nearby public chargers to drivers of all other BEVs during peak demand periods, when TSLA's own chargers are inadequate.
dgpcolorado wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:If TSLA sells a significant fraction of the total number of model Threes it has projected, we should expect to find public DC charge stations Tesla'd frequently, whenever nearby proprietary "superchargers" are crowded.

Thank you, Tesla, for your generous policy of:

Our chargers are ours, and yours we can share... ...
Perhaps not. It takes a $450 adapter for a Tesla to use Chademo; how many Model 3 owners will buy one? Very few, would be my guess...
You missed the far more likely reason model 3s may not damage public charging opportunities very much implied by my statement above that TSLA simply may not sell very many model 3s.
="dgpcolorado"...There is a possibility that the Model 3 will eventually get a CCS port; quite likely in Europe, less certain here. But that's not Chademo...
Virtually all new public stations in the US have both public port options, and probably will for the foreseeable future, so your comment is irrelevant.

Again, what you seem to be missing is that TSLA's policy to date has been to make purchasing access to its "free" DC charger network mandatory, at a cost of thousands of dollars before it will permit you (or any other Tesla driver) access to any public DC chargers.

TSLA has never allowed buyers to opt out of the very high costs of "free supercharging", and use public chargers instead.

And I doubt TSLA ever will give its vehicle owners that option, unless compelled by legal action or the demands of its creditors.
="dgpcolorado"...Anyway, Tesla and its customers paid for those Superchargers...
TSLA has lost money, huge amounts of money, every year since it's creation.

So it would be more accurate to state that TSLA's investors expect future Tesla buyers to pay for the chargers.
="dgpcolorado"...Did you pay for the Chademo DCFC stations? How are they "yours?"...

Any BEV driver can charge their BEV at public Chademo/CCS chargers, and we "pay for them" every time we use them.

By doing so whenever we travel outside our initial range, we are doing what Tesla drivers are not, contributing to the establishment of the public charger infrastructure that will be required to accelerate the retirement of the ICEV/PHEV vehicle fleet.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon May 29, 2017 9:46 am

So what?

Pretty sure the owners of the DC chargers/networks would be perfectly fine with Tesla owners using them a lot more. If you want exclusive rights to a DC charger, you better buy your own, 'cuz, no they aren't "yours" just because Tesla didn't pay for them. Entitled much?
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