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Business model of TSLA "free...forever" charge network
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It's quite striking that many Tesla owners do not comprehend the degree of control TSLA exerts over them by denying them access to any public chargers (DC charging stations) unless they make a large payment to buy into TSLA's own network
, a network to which it also bars public access to all other BEVs.
As long as TSLA maintains this policy, Tesla vehicles will only interact with the public charging infrastructure only parasitically
, reducing access and dependability of nearby public chargers to drivers of all other BEVs during peak demand periods, when TSLA's own chargers are inadequate.
edatoakrun wrote:If TSLA sells a significant fraction of the total number of model Threes it has projected, we should expect to find public DC charge stations Tesla'd frequently, whenever nearby proprietary "superchargers" are crowded.
Thank you, Tesla, for your generous policy of:
Our chargers are ours, and yours we can share... ...
Perhaps not. It takes a $450 adapter for a Tesla to use Chademo; how many Model 3 owners will buy one? Very few
, would be my guess...
You missed the far more likely reason model 3s may not damage public charging opportunities very much implied by my statement above that TSLA simply may not sell very many model 3s.
="dgpcolorado"...There is a possibility that the Model 3 will eventually get a CCS port; quite likely in Europe, less certain here. But that's not Chademo...
Virtually all new public stations in the US have both public port options, and probably will for the foreseeable future, so your comment is irrelevant.
Again, what you seem to be missing is that TSLA's policy to date has been to make purchasing access to its "free" DC charger network mandatory, at a cost of thousands of dollars before it will permit you (or any other Tesla driver) access to any public DC chargers.
TSLA has never allowed buyers to opt out of the very high costs of "free supercharging", and use public chargers instead.
And I doubt TSLA ever will give its vehicle owners that option, unless compelled by legal action or the demands of its creditors.
="dgpcolorado"...Anyway, Tesla and its customers paid for those Superchargers...
TSLA has lost money, huge amounts of money
, every year since it's creation.
So it would be more accurate to state that TSLA's investors expect future Tesla buyers to pay for the chargers.
="dgpcolorado"...Did you pay for the Chademo DCFC stations? How are they "yours?"...
Any BEV driver can charge their BEV at public Chademo/CCS chargers, and we "pay for them" every time we use them.
By doing so whenever we travel outside our initial range, we are doing what Tesla drivers are not, contributing to the establishment of the public charger infrastructure that will be required to accelerate the retirement of the ICEV/PHEV vehicle fleet.