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Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:50 pm
by golfcart
LeftieBiker wrote: I strongly suggest you get the DCFC port as well. Between the effect on resale value and the future convenience of fast charging (even if you have none locally now) I can almost guarantee you'd regret getting a Bolt that lacks it.
Leaving that out was just an an oversight on my part, I would want DCQC on any EV I purchase.

Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:44 am
by cwerdna
Watch a Bolt EV at a ChargePoint Express 250 charge at up to 55 kW
https://electricrevs.com/2018/07/17/wat ... -to-55-kw/

Has a time lapse video. I'm guessing this was at a DC FC that's in testing at ChargePoint's HQ that when I last checked was set to a bargain price (esp. for CA) of 6 cents (!!!) per kWh. My PG&E rate at home is about triple that in the cheapest time bands while on tier 1.

Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:20 pm
by rogersleaf
golfcart wrote:One of the Chevy dealers near me has 2 2019 Bolt is stock so I stopped by after work yesterday to check them out and go for a test drive. One was an LT and one was a premier. I was upfront when I went in that I had no intention of buying in the next month but had the bolt on my short list and wanted to try one out.

Overall I thought it was a nice car. I liked the acceleration and range (obviously) but was also impressed with the infotainment system, large screen, roomy cabin, and responsive steering. It was a fun car to drive.

Some downsides to me were the weird white accents on the dashboard, the small trunk, the position of the charge port, and the price as both were $40k+ after dealer installed options and fees. There were also some nitpicky things about the user interface but those might just be that I wasn't used to it.

In comparing it to the new Leaf I definitely prefer the size of the Leaf, the exterior styling of the Leaf, the layout of the Leaf, and the price of the Leaf. For my particular needs I'd have a really hard spending the extra cash on the Bolt vs a 40kWh Leaf or even a comparably priced eplus. I know the battery is better on the Bolt but the Leaf just feels like a nicer car all around IMO

Despite me telling them I wouldn't buy one that day they insisted on running some numbers for me. They didn't really seem to want to deal or have any incentives right now which I thought was weird given that they are 6 weeks away from losing half the tax credit. The guy offered me standard financing rates and $1200 off MSRP which barely offset all of the dealer installed options they had put in there. I told him for that price I'm $3k from a Tesla...
I had a similar experience with a Chevy dealer last week test driving a '19 with LT trim. I'm able to take full advantage of the $7500 tax credit so figured I needed to test drive a Bolt this month. Just like your dealer, had 2 in stock (an LT and a Premier). Also told them upfront that I had absolutely no intention of buying but they ran numbers. Quoted similar, token discount off MSRP to basically cover bloat fees they would recover on the transaction and low-balled a trade quote on my '13 CRV about $2K under current auction/wholesale. They also quoted some crazy high lease rates and confirmed that GMAC ignores (i.e...pocket/keep) the $7500 Federal tax credit with their lease calculations. So I thanked them for their time and left. While all of this was happening, Tesla was announcing their $35K M3 availability which none of us knew about.

The next day, received a followup call. I reminded them I'm a long way from buying anybody's car and frankly told them we were about $10K apart from anything happening. Then, told them about Tesla's move and that the EV market pricing game likely changed significantly. They called me again the next morning (Saturday) to inform me Chevy is allocating a 14% discount (@$5600) as of March 1st. Not sure how truthful, or if just trying to get me back into their store.

I did like the Bolt a lot. Bolt has it's quirks, seats & ride comfort were OK, liked the on-board charge limit controls, and it had all 3 of the convenience packages. However, very odd they spec'd an extra L-1 120v. charge cord (pricey useless extra) and it lacked a DCFC port. In my case, the lack of a DCFC port is likely meaningless, but likely a huge problem with resale. Like many of the reviews, also felt the new LEAF is a more refined car overall.

Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:39 pm
by LeftieBiker
Quoted similar, token discount off MSRP to basically cover bloat fees they would recover on the transaction and low-balled a trade quote on my '13 CRV about $2K under current auction/wholesale.
You probably know this and they gave you an unrequested trade-in value, but for the benefit of others: NEVER, EVER say that you have a trade, until you have a written price quote. Then, and only then, casually tell them you might have a trade, and ask for a trade-in value. With lower-valued cars especially, dealerships like to have you give them your trade for free, by doctoring the numbers. They can't do that if they don't know about the trade, so better still, show up in another car entirely.

As for the extra charging cable: that happened a lot early on: the options/packages showed the cable with a check box and price, so dealers and some prospective buyers assumed that it was an option. In fact, the check box is for an extra cable.

Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:14 am
by cwerdna
rogersleaf wrote:They called me again the next morning (Saturday) to inform me Chevy is allocating a 14% discount (@$5600) as of March 1st. Not sure how truthful, or if just trying to get me back into their store.
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also felt the new LEAF is a more refined car overall.
FWiW, incentives change all the time.

When I was in the market in Jan 2019, https://www.chevroletoffremont.com/Vehi ... =Bolt%20EV was openly advertising $5K off MSRP. It became $5500 in Feb. On March 1st, it looked like it became $4500 but then I learned elsewhere about 0% APR financing. Now, they're showing about $4K to ~$4329 and 0% APR financing.

Sure enough https://www.chevrolet.com/current-deals ... ev:bolt-ev, shows 0% financing for 72 months. I'm 95% sure that were no loan specials on Bolt when I was in the market. I looked.

That 0% APR is very attractive. If I were in the market, I would jump on that even if the cash incentive is lower. I can earn a fair amount of interest over 6 years by socking away that $ into CDs (e.g. https://www.ally.com/bank/high-yield-cd/). I'd paid cash (check) for my Bolt in its entirety due to lack of good financing deals.

That's too bad you your dealer had 2 in stock. My dealer allegedly has 164 of them. It was past 200 when I was in the market. And, yes, there was plenty of selection but I didn't go counting all their cars and didn't know where all their inventory was.

Agree about Leaf vs. Bolt refinement.

Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:41 am
by rogersleaf
cwerdna wrote: That's too bad you your dealer had 2 in stock. My dealer allegedly has 164 of them. It was past 200 when I was in the market. And, yes, there was plenty of selection but I didn't go counting all their cars and didn't know where all their inventory was.

Agree about Leaf vs. Bolt refinement.
Welcome to Ohio... not surprised, the state is in the middle of arguing over gas taxes. The new Governor (R) is recommending an 18 cent/gal gas tax increase along with annual license fees on hibrid and EV’s because hibrid owners don’t buy enough gas and those damn Tesla owners don’t buy any. Last I checked was about $75/yr for a hibrid and $250+ for an EV. Keep in mind this is a state that doesn’t subsidize, provides nothing for charging infrastructure and basically charges sales tax on the Federal tax rebates. Not surprised dealers won’t stock these until this is resolved. These truly do factor into the operating cost equation that is already marginal at best.

Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:48 am
by cwerdna
^^^
CA has the https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/eligible-vehicles but my income's too high so I'm not eligible. ZEVs here will supposedly get hit with a $100 annual fee (https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... -gas-taxes).

Yeah, what you mention about hitting hybrids w/additional fees isn't unique to your state but is really lame. If it were me, all gas taxes show up go up, instead of punishing people w/efficient vehicles. Of course, raising taxes is politically unpopular, so the politicians figure they'll stick to the tiny minority since non-plugin hybrid take rate is only about 2% in the US.

Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:59 am
by rogersleaf
The ironic part is there is a local new story showing former Gov. Kasich driving around in this new Tesla.

Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:29 pm
by cwerdna
Someone in a Bolt FB group I'm in pointed to https://www.criswellchevrolet.com/Vehic ... rice%7Casc last night. Dealer's in MD. They're currently showing over $10K off MSRP which is REALLY good. If they're legit, I overpaid for mine.

If the deal and dealer were legit and I didn't have a Bolt already, I'd have flown across the country from CA to MD to get one of these and get it shipped to CA.

Re: Chevrolet Bolt - 60 kWh, 238 mi, < 7s 0-60

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:37 pm
by LeftieBiker
I assume that you bought yours locally? There is something to be said for having your local dealership thinking of you as a "customer" as opposed to a "PITA."