DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt

Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:10 am

jlv wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:16 am
cwerdna wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:47 pm
Seems like the CR page's ratings are behind a paywall now. I'm guessing that was the original intent.
I have access to CR's online subscription content via my public library; you might be able to get it that way, too.

15-30 years ago when CR was my go to resource for researching what to buy. Sadly, I find the current reviews and ratings to be far from useful. Having access to the on-line content only helps to show me I wouldn't be missing much if my library dropped it, because I wouldn't pay for what they now offer. My current print subscription runs through the end of 2021, and I'll likely not renew.
TBH; I am not so sure of anything concerning CR. Before they were literally the ONLY option for reviews which makes me think they haven't changed, they simply have a lot more competition. As far as their recommendations? I never put a lot of stock in that, mostly relying on their ratings from actual users.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt

Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:23 am

As I've posted many times (in some cases on other forums), I've found CR's reliability ratings and charts to be reasonably accurate based upon personal experience and that of car forums I'm on.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt

Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:36 am

cwerdna wrote:
Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:23 am
As I've posted many times (in some cases on other forums), I've found CR's reliability ratings and charts to be reasonably accurate based upon personal experience and that of car forums I'm on.
Well, I still think their consumer polls are still the go to source for a relatively unbiased opinion (considering the source) Like any owner feedback, reading a LOT of them is the only way to get a good picture of what you are buying
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 16,686 mi, 92.44% SOH
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt

Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:27 am

With CR you need to find the reason behind their ratings, or else you get come to a false conclusion. For example, my 2001 Passat had an ignition coil defect that was fixed with a recall that replaced it. Even after that they marked those model years of the car as "not recommended" because of that problem, even though it was completely fixed and no longer an issue. Looking at their ratings for the car in 2004 would make you think there was still a major problem.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt

Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:43 am

jlv wrote:
Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:27 am
With CR you need to find the reason behind their ratings, or else you get come to a false conclusion. For example, my 2001 Passat had an ignition coil defect that was fixed with a recall that replaced it. Even after that they marked those model years of the car as "not recommended" because of that problem, even though it was completely fixed and no longer an issue. Looking at their ratings for the car in 2004 would make you think there was still a major problem.
Agreed. One thing to keep in mind; its ALL opinion. Have to have a complete understanding of the circumstances that created the opinion. I have gone against CR a few times but only because their surveys revealed an undeserved harsh rating from users over petty things or even things that were resolved but the consumer was upset that there was a small required action to get that resolution... Too many people want it perfect out of the box basically.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt

Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:04 pm

Re: the Bolt recalls, one of the first docs posted on NHTSA at https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2020/R ... 1-2513.PDF says
The condition is specific to battery cells produced at LG Chem’s Ochang, Korea plant that are design level N2.1. Manufacturing records were used to identify vehicles built with battery cells of this design level that were produced at this facility.

All 2017-2018 Bolts are affected as well as certain 2019 Bolts with design level N2.1 batteries manufactured at the LG Chem’s Ochang plant.
And, that design level N2.1 cells weren't used in production after model year 2019.

Also, semi-recently, in several places, the table at https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/data- ... ost-570278 has been posted. Seems '19 Bolts may have a bit more capacity than '17 and '18 Bolts.

Also, per https://allev.info/2020/12/chevy-bolt-b ... lacements/, GM is collecting a selective set of battery packs for engineering analysis.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt

Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:00 pm

https://insideevs.com/news/464430/us-ch ... s-q4-2020/
In the full year 2020, Bolt EV sales also improved, by over 26% to 20,754 (compared to 16,418 in 2019), which is not that far from 23,297 in the record year of 2017. Really, not bad for a challenging year.

Since in 2020, the Chevrolet brand noted 1,739,792 sales (down 11.2% year-over-year), Bolt EV share is 1.2%.
In comparison, https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... r-us-sales for US Leafs sales show a total for 2020 of 9,564 vs. 12,365 in 2019.

I wonder how much of this is due to slow sales or if Nissan is intentionally limiting supplies/hindering sales in order have more Ariya's eligible for the full $7500 Federal tax credit and more eligible for the reduced amounts...

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt

Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:35 pm

Interesting Bolt inventory situation in BC.

Around 300 new 2020’s for sale. Still 9 2019’s. Weird.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt

Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:42 am

cwerdna wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:00 pm
https://insideevs.com/news/464430/us-ch ... s-q4-2020/
In the full year 2020, Bolt EV sales also improved, by over 26% to 20,754 (compared to 16,418 in 2019), which is not that far from 23,297 in the record year of 2017. Really, not bad for a challenging year.

Since in 2020, the Chevrolet brand noted 1,739,792 sales (down 11.2% year-over-year), Bolt EV share is 1.2%.
In comparison, https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... r-us-sales for US Leafs sales show a total for 2020 of 9,564 vs. 12,365 in 2019.

I wonder how much of this is due to slow sales or if Nissan is intentionally limiting supplies/hindering sales in order have more Ariya's eligible for the full $7500 Federal tax credit and more eligible for the reduced amounts...
That's an interesting question. I wonder what the Leaf inventory looks like?

Many people are aware of the Leaf's battery issues, even if they are overblown in my particular climate. My perspective is also certainly skewed because anyone I know considering an EV is much better informed than even the average EV customer.

Over in one of the Bolt forums (of which cwerdna is also a member), there is an increasing number of EV newbies buying Bolts without really understanding the EV paradigm. For example, many are still of the ICE mindset wherein you stop by a gas station (or charger in this case) once a week to "fill up", and don't have access to home charging (e.g. live in an apartment). So it seems that the Bolt is reaching a broader audience than the Leaf.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt

Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:37 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:42 am
there is an increasing number of EV newbies buying Bolts without really understanding the EV paradigm. For example, many are still of the ICE mindset wherein you stop by a gas station (or charger in this case) once a week to "fill up", and don't have access to home charging (e.g. live in an apartment). So it seems that the Bolt is reaching a broader audience than the Leaf.
I met a fellow like that who bought the only Fiat EV in my city. He made it crystal clear that he bought the car because it was CHEAP.
For now, he has become an EV evangelist which I thought was fascinating, but car cost are his #1 through #10 considerations.

Which is to say that the influx of odd Bolt buyers you mention reflect Bolt price dumping by GM. If the next refresh of the Bolt goes back to $30k that emerging population of buyers disappears.
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