Gen 2 Chevrolet Volt PHEV (2016+) MSRP $33,995

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Have you all seen the announcement of GM's latest plug-in hybrid?

http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2015/apr/0419-ct6.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Various bloggers are saying 335 Hp, electric range greater than 30 miles, and mileage better than 40 MPG.
 
An interesting and very detailed look at the Gen 2 Volt propulsion system.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2015/04/20150423-voltec.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Doesn't the Volt gen 2 deserve its own thread?

It is a completely new design, after all.

If there is a Gen 2 thread I missed, moderator feel free to move my post.

Lots of posts on the gen 2 posted previously on the gen 1 thread:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=713&start=2350" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Only news below, is the price:

2016 Chevy Volt gets a $1,115 price cut


The 2016 version of the gasoline-electric plug-in hybrid car has been redesigned from the wheels up, with a smaller, more powerful battery pack, an electric driving range of up to 50 miles on a single charge and an optional jump seat for a fifth passenger.

When it arrives this fall, the including destination, down from the 2015 Volt's sticker of $35,110, including shipping, General Motors said today.

Some buyers will be able to purchase a 2016 Volt for as little as $26,495, once federal tax credits of up to $7,500 are factored in; in California, the Volt’s price could be as low as $24,995, with state incentives.

This is the second time GM has reduced the price of the Volt. The company reduced the price by $5,000 to start the 2014 model year.

The 2016 version of the gasoline-electric plug-in hybrid car has been redesigned from the wheels up, with a smaller, more powerful battery pack, an electric driving range of up to 50 miles on a single charge and an optional jump seat for a fifth passenger.

The powertrain in the 2016 Volt has a new four-cylinder engine and the second generation of GM’s Voltec hybrid drive...

http://www.autonews.com/article/20150503/OEM05/150509972/2016-chevy-volt-gets-a-1115-price-cut" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Looks like they weren't kidding when they said cost savings of the gen II are going to be to make the car profitable and not to cut the sticker price. It really is too little of a price drop to say it means anything without knowing the option specs. and what it will top out at.
 
minispeed said:
Looks like they weren't kidding when they said cost savings of the gen II are going to be to make the car profitable and not to cut the sticker price. It really is too little of a price drop to say it means anything without knowing the option specs. and what it will top out at.


It will come in two versions, base 2LT and an upscale 2LZ. It looks like the base version is pretty well equipped. Here's a link.

http://cleantechnica.com/2015/04/22/chevrolet-releases-specs-of-2016-volt-but-not-price/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
TomT said:
I would say yes.

edatoakrun said:
Doesn't the Volt gen 2 deserve its own thread?
Plenty of volt discussion here:
http://gm-volt.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Any threads about GM's PHEV technology here on MNL are better left to focus on how it is superior to short range BEVs, how Bob Lutz was right, and to educate those who will inevitability become disenchanted with the Leaf. :lol:
 
34k is $5000 dollars more than a base/entry Nissan Leaf; which seems very reasonable for an EV plus an internal combustion engine for when the battery runs out. There's a lot of other differences between a Leaf and a Volt, but the price seems fine. Hopefully, the Volt2 will help build the public's interest in PHEV's and EV's...... and help increase sales (for both).
 
And particularly when you consider that the base Volt has a much higher equipment and feature content than the base Leaf...

BernieTx said:
34k is $5000 dollars more than a base/entry Nissan Leaf; which seems very reasonable for an EV plus an internal combustion engine for when the battery runs out.
 
edatoakrun said:
Doesn't the Volt gen 2 deserve its own thread?
I concur, making it "official". Will try to merge in the relevant Gen2 posts from the other thread here so expect to see the posts jump around a bit. If I miss any, send me a PM and I'll get it moved over.
 
With 50 mile all-electric range and a normal ICE this might be the car I need to replace my Leaf with 55 mile all-electric range and no backup. Too bad a higher output OBC is not on the table.
 
This certainly has us looking into it. The timing may be perfect as we are scheduled to turn in ours in October. I like the new Gen 2 looks. :D
 
http://insideevs.com/chevy-volt-price/

And almost $5000 for the up level one,

“The uplevel Volt (2LZ) will start at $38,345 including $825 DFC. Your Participating Chevrolet Volt Dealer was provided pricing over the weekend.”

Looks like a very expensive car and when you consider the base model doesn't have navigation and it isn't sold as a stand alone.
 
As the first gen 2 plugin (ignoring roadster) - I've to wonder if this is what we would see going forward.

- 30% more range
- 10% more mpg
- 3% price cut

If Leaf 2 has figures like this compared to Gen 1, it would be DOA. I want
- 100% more range (atleast optionally)
- Double range for nearly the same price as top line model now
- Non-polarizing looks

Are my expectations for Gen 2, too high ?
 
Getting the red one in October, will change tires to Ecopia's & remove 6 gallons from the gas tank this should lighten the load and give it a little more range, also install the aeromod infront of the tires. The 50 mile or so range will cover my daily commute to work & back.
 
evnow said:
As the first gen 2 plugin (ignoring roadster) - I've to wonder if this is what we would see going forward.

- 30% more range
- 10% more mpg
- 3% price cut

If Leaf 2 has figures like this compared to Gen 1, it would be DOA. I want
- 100% more range (atleast optionally)
- Double range for nearly the same price as top line model now
- Non-polarizing looks

Are my expectations for Gen 2, too high ?

The leaf and volt gen 2 both have different expectations for their companies. Chev has always said they needed to save money on making the car that it needs to turn a profit. We see that with essentially a carry over battery design where most of the extra range is from opening up usable capacity. We also see that GM will start using the voltec drivetrain as a non PHEV in the Malibu hybrid and then going into new territory with the bolt. GM said back in 2012 I think they needed to take $10k out of the cost of the car. They then cut the price $5K so assuming they did this and dropped the price a bit there should be $4k or so in profit now.


Leaf 2 Nissan has said the aim is still to take it more mainstream, ie higher volume. To do this Nissan may still be willing to take a loss on the car for the first few model years. Last thing I read on leaf and profit said Nissan hasn't recovered the cost of full development of the program but that the car turns a profit for what it costs to make one.



Wennfred said:
Getting the red one in October, will change tires to Ecopia's & remove 6 gallons from the gas tank this should lighten the load and give it a little more range, also install the aeromod infront of the tires. The 50 mile or so range will cover my daily commute to work & back.


Unless you work the tires into the deal and getting the dealer to put them on prior to delivery buying new tires will never pay for itself vs using the ICE for the few times new tires would make it on EV only and stock tires wouldn't.
 
minispeed said:
The leaf and volt gen 2 both have different expectations for their companies. Chev has always said they needed to save money on making the car that it needs to turn a profit. We see that with essentially a carry over battery design where most of the extra range is from opening up usable capacity. We also see that GM will start using the voltec drivetrain as a non PHEV in the Malibu hybrid and then going into new territory with the bolt. GM said back in 2012 I think they needed to take $10k out of the cost of the car. They then cut the price $5K so assuming they did this and dropped the price a bit there should be $4k or so in profit now.
That is the problem with companies like GM - they set low expectations. Atleast that is one thing we can't accuse Tesla of.

If plugins are to really take hold in the market, there need to be quantum improvements in generations - not marginal.

Ofcourse the biggest problem with Volt is that it is the wrong form factor - even after seeing the runaway success of Outlander, why is no one coming up with a PHEV SUV ? (no, I'm not talking about SUVs in the Tesla price range).
 
minispeed said:
We see that with essentially a carry over battery design where most of the extra range is from opening up usable capacity. We also see that GM will start using the voltec drivetrain as a non PHEV in the Malibu hybrid and then going into new territory with the bolt.

The gen 2 Volt has a new battery chemistry and new cell layout (pairs instead of triplicates) with cell count reduced by 1/3. The battery pack is 20lbs lighter with a slightly different volume and lower center of gravity. Compared to the original gen 1 pack it's gone from 16.4 kWh to 18.4 kWh (total, not usable window) while losing weight, cost and complexity. The only thing it really shares with the original design is the T-shape layout.

The "Voltec" setup is similarly brand new. If I'm not mistaken the gen 2 Voltec shares no parts with gen 1.
 
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