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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Mon May 04, 2015 1:20 am

edatoakrun wrote:Doesn't the Volt gen 2 deserve its own thread?
I concur, making it "official". Will try to merge in the relevant Gen2 posts from the other thread here so expect to see the posts jump around a bit. If I miss any, send me a PM and I'll get it moved over.

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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Mon May 04, 2015 11:03 am

With 50 mile all-electric range and a normal ICE this might be the car I need to replace my Leaf with 55 mile all-electric range and no backup. Too bad a higher output OBC is not on the table.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Mon May 04, 2015 11:15 am

This certainly has us looking into it. The timing may be perfect as we are scheduled to turn in ours in October. I like the new Gen 2 looks. :D

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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Mon May 04, 2015 2:49 pm

http://insideevs.com/chevy-volt-price/

And almost $5000 for the up level one,

“The uplevel Volt (2LZ) will start at $38,345 including $825 DFC. Your Participating Chevrolet Volt Dealer was provided pricing over the weekend.”

Looks like a very expensive car and when you consider the base model doesn't have navigation and it isn't sold as a stand alone.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Mon May 04, 2015 2:58 pm

IMHO, in-car navigation can't compete with Waze or other phone based navigation apps. So lack of Navigation isn't an issue for me.

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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Mon May 04, 2015 3:08 pm

As the first gen 2 plugin (ignoring roadster) - I've to wonder if this is what we would see going forward.

- 30% more range
- 10% more mpg
- 3% price cut

If Leaf 2 has figures like this compared to Gen 1, it would be DOA. I want
- 100% more range (atleast optionally)
- Double range for nearly the same price as top line model now
- Non-polarizing looks

Are my expectations for Gen 2, too high ?
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Mon May 04, 2015 4:02 pm

Getting the red one in October, will change tires to Ecopia's & remove 6 gallons from the gas tank this should lighten the load and give it a little more range, also install the aeromod infront of the tires. The 50 mile or so range will cover my daily commute to work & back.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Mon May 04, 2015 4:19 pm

evnow wrote:As the first gen 2 plugin (ignoring roadster) - I've to wonder if this is what we would see going forward.

- 30% more range
- 10% more mpg
- 3% price cut

If Leaf 2 has figures like this compared to Gen 1, it would be DOA. I want
- 100% more range (atleast optionally)
- Double range for nearly the same price as top line model now
- Non-polarizing looks

Are my expectations for Gen 2, too high ?
The leaf and volt gen 2 both have different expectations for their companies. Chev has always said they needed to save money on making the car that it needs to turn a profit. We see that with essentially a carry over battery design where most of the extra range is from opening up usable capacity. We also see that GM will start using the voltec drivetrain as a non PHEV in the Malibu hybrid and then going into new territory with the bolt. GM said back in 2012 I think they needed to take $10k out of the cost of the car. They then cut the price $5K so assuming they did this and dropped the price a bit there should be $4k or so in profit now.


Leaf 2 Nissan has said the aim is still to take it more mainstream, ie higher volume. To do this Nissan may still be willing to take a loss on the car for the first few model years. Last thing I read on leaf and profit said Nissan hasn't recovered the cost of full development of the program but that the car turns a profit for what it costs to make one.


Wennfred wrote:Getting the red one in October, will change tires to Ecopia's & remove 6 gallons from the gas tank this should lighten the load and give it a little more range, also install the aeromod infront of the tires. The 50 mile or so range will cover my daily commute to work & back.

Unless you work the tires into the deal and getting the dealer to put them on prior to delivery buying new tires will never pay for itself vs using the ICE for the few times new tires would make it on EV only and stock tires wouldn't.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Mon May 04, 2015 4:24 pm

minispeed wrote:The leaf and volt gen 2 both have different expectations for their companies. Chev has always said they needed to save money on making the car that it needs to turn a profit. We see that with essentially a carry over battery design where most of the extra range is from opening up usable capacity. We also see that GM will start using the voltec drivetrain as a non PHEV in the Malibu hybrid and then going into new territory with the bolt. GM said back in 2012 I think they needed to take $10k out of the cost of the car. They then cut the price $5K so assuming they did this and dropped the price a bit there should be $4k or so in profit now.
That is the problem with companies like GM - they set low expectations. Atleast that is one thing we can't accuse Tesla of.

If plugins are to really take hold in the market, there need to be quantum improvements in generations - not marginal.

Ofcourse the biggest problem with Volt is that it is the wrong form factor - even after seeing the runaway success of Outlander, why is no one coming up with a PHEV SUV ? (no, I'm not talking about SUVs in the Tesla price range).
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Mon May 04, 2015 5:03 pm

minispeed wrote:We see that with essentially a carry over battery design where most of the extra range is from opening up usable capacity. We also see that GM will start using the voltec drivetrain as a non PHEV in the Malibu hybrid and then going into new territory with the bolt.
The gen 2 Volt has a new battery chemistry and new cell layout (pairs instead of triplicates) with cell count reduced by 1/3. The battery pack is 20lbs lighter with a slightly different volume and lower center of gravity. Compared to the original gen 1 pack it's gone from 16.4 kWh to 18.4 kWh (total, not usable window) while losing weight, cost and complexity. The only thing it really shares with the original design is the T-shape layout.

The "Voltec" setup is similarly brand new. If I'm not mistaken the gen 2 Voltec shares no parts with gen 1.
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