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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:09 pm

Am I the only person who thinks it's bizarre that GM is offering $1,000 off on 2016 Volts, now?! E.G. (via ABG):
Chevy already offering discounts on 2016 Volt
Perks Apply To Both 2016, 2015 Versions In Some Markets
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/20/chev ... 2016-volt/

Why not just lower the MSRP if you planned to do this from the start? Or is this a reaction to lower gas prices since the Volt's MSRP was announced in May?
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:19 pm

Need to give this a test drive. When i bought my leaf the choice boiled down to Volt vs leaf. Vs. the current leaf, i think i would go with this new Volt but won't know until the test drive. But it will be interesting to see how the gen 2 Volt compares to the gen 2 Leaf. Of course, it is a longer range B that i'm dreaming about.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:16 am

GRA wrote:Am I the only person who thinks it's bizarre that GM is offering $1,000 off on 2016 Volts, now?!
Why not just lower the MSRP if you planned to do this from the start? Or is this a reaction to lower gas prices since the Volt's MSRP was announced in May?
It struck me as odd, too. They don't even have a month's worth of sales data yet. My guesses were :

1) Lower pre-orders / dealer orders than projected?

2) Has something to do with 2016 being a very short (3 - 4 month) model year for the Volt? Supposedly the 2017 Volt will begin delivery 'early spring 2016'
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:10 am

I haven't quite wrapped my head around the Volt versus Leaf? Why would someone compare (or want) a gas engine hybrid commuter to an all-electric EV?

sure the "range extender" thing is one thing, but why even consider having another gas engine headache versus no gas or oil. ever. period.

wouldn't one compare ALL hybrid gas cars to other hybrid cars with a gas engine? Say

Volt or Prius?
Energi or Sonata plug-in (wait, is that a real one?)

Then compare yer no-gas-ever cars (excluding Tesla due to starting price):

Leaf or Focus EV
Spark or iMiEV
and so on...

To me it is apples and oranges. either you want to use gasoline sometimes or you don't ever have to use gasoline. different mindsets so not as comparable as everyone thinks?
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:23 pm

finman100 wrote:I haven't quite wrapped my head around the Volt versus Leaf? Why would someone compare (or want) a gas engine hybrid commuter to an all-electric EV?

sure the "range extender" thing is one thing, but why even consider having another gas engine headache versus no gas or oil. ever. period.

wouldn't one compare ALL hybrid gas cars to other hybrid cars with a gas engine? Say

Volt or Prius?
Energi or Sonata plug-in (wait, is that a real one?)

Then compare yer no-gas-ever cars (excluding Tesla due to starting price):

Leaf or Focus EV
Spark or iMiEV
and so on...

To me it is apples and oranges. either you want to use gasoline sometimes or you don't ever have to use gasoline. different mindsets so not as comparable as everyone thinks?
I certainly cross shopped the Volt and Leaf, and I have a feeling I am not totally unique in that regard. I was looking for lower operating costs than a "gas only" car. They both fit that bill. The 40mile range would almost make it a BEV in my use, so the gas engine maintenance would be much, much less than an ICE only vehicle. Maybe it is apples and oranges, but when you are shopping for some good fruit, they both deserve consideration.

In fact, if the Volt had 5 seats I might have bought one instead. I am glad I bought the Leaf, but a Volt or Energi may still be in my future as our "other" daily driver.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:15 pm

finman100 wrote:I haven't quite wrapped my head around the Volt versus Leaf? Why would someone compare (or want) a gas engine hybrid commuter to an all-electric EV?

sure the "range extender" thing is one thing, but why even consider having another gas engine headache versus no gas or oil. ever. period.

wouldn't one compare ALL hybrid gas cars to other hybrid cars with a gas engine? Say

Volt or Prius?
Energi or Sonata plug-in (wait, is that a real one?)

Then compare yer no-gas-ever cars (excluding Tesla due to starting price):

Leaf or Focus EV
Spark or iMiEV
and so on...

To me it is apples and oranges. either you want to use gasoline sometimes or you don't ever have to use gasoline. different mindsets so not as comparable as everyone thinks?
Anyone who has the option to go with a single car for all purposes, and who can't afford a Model S, may cross shop an affordable BEV with a PHEV. If you go with the BEV, you need to keep a second car (or are willing to rent/borrow for any trips). If the PHEV's AER meets your routine daily needs (Volt V2.0 can probably do that for at least 90% of people), then you're saving money by not needing that second car, and need never worry about finding infrastructure on trips, or putting up with delays while charging.

BTW, saw my first Gen 2 last night, a blue one that was parked. Definitely Civic-like from the side, but with a reminder of the Gen1's styling cue aft of the rear wheels. It already had green stickers on it, so the dealer must have pre-ordered them.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:07 pm

finman100 wrote: wouldn't one compare ... hybrid cars? Say Volt or Prius? Energi or Sonata plug-in (wait, is that a real one?)

Then compare yer no-gas-ever cars ... Leaf or Focus EV Spark or iMiEV and so on...

To me it is apples and oranges.
Buyers certainly compare the Prius and the Volt, especially with the gen2 Volt's 42 combined mpg on regular gas now. The best thing about EV's is no hassle charging at home, or charging at work instead of getting gasoline. The Volt does that, with the gen1 Volt getting comparable annual EV miles to the Leaf. But public charging is often inconvenient. The local gas station is quicker, more reliable, and available 24/7. So the Volt combines the best of both worlds.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:34 pm

The way I look at it, the gas engine in the Volt is sort of like having my own quick charger that I can use whenever I want.

Having said that, I also have to say the usefulness of an extended range EV becomes less and less viable as battery technology improves. At one point, which is coming faster than I thought, it makes no sense to lug around an ICE when a pure EV can do everything I need.

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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:09 pm

finman100 wrote:I haven't quite wrapped my head around the Volt versus Leaf? Why would someone compare (or want) a gas engine hybrid commuter to an all-electric EV?
Weekend trips and vacations are possible with a PHEV. Almost all my gas miles were on five trips. Most days I never used gas by charging at home or public chargers.
The Volt is an extremely capable and versatile vehicle!
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:54 am

all great responses! I'm spoiled in that I have an incredibly robust charging infrastructure in which to travel (OR and WA). I was ready to go gas-free and love it. My travel area was also ready for gas-free miles, so win win.

Yes, we have that 'second car' to go longer trips. You got me there. Wife loves her PiP for all the reasons listed here.
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