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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Thu May 07, 2015 5:57 pm

In the case of the non-thermally managed leaf battery lots of people looked at that and said hey that's not good while Nissan was saying no problem we have this figured out. We all know how that story ended, at least in the short term.
Score a point for GM for doing what many thought needed to be done, and while we won't know with certainty how that worked out for a few more years (at which point nobody will care anyway as technology will have moved on), at least they did what was reasonably thought to be a properly engineered design, and so far it seems to be working out.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Thu May 07, 2015 7:19 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Score a point for GM for doing what many thought needed to be done, and while we won't know with certainty how that worked out for a few more years (at which point nobody will care anyway as technology will have moved on), at least they did what was reasonably thought to be a properly engineered design, and so far it seems to be working out.
But - GM had sacrifice a lot of things for that - like the 5th seat, high price etc.

Apparently Nissan has been able to solve problems within Gen 1 - whereas GM hasn't been able to advance the needle much even in Gen 2.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Fri May 08, 2015 4:27 pm

evnow wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:Score a point for GM for doing what many thought needed to be done, and while we won't know with certainty how that worked out for a few more years (at which point nobody will care anyway as technology will have moved on), at least they did what was reasonably thought to be a properly engineered design, and so far it seems to be working out.
But - GM had sacrifice a lot of things for that - like the 5th seat, high price etc.

Apparently Nissan has been able to solve problems within Gen 1 - whereas GM hasn't been able to advance the needle much even in Gen 2.
+1 for what LTLFT composite wrote. Nissan had a lot more problems to solve, while GM was building from more strength. The choice of the T-shape rather than a skateboard was an attempt to keep costs down by using an existing platform, and was only partially successful, while limiting the utility for those who wanted/needed a fifth seat. I do agree that the 2nd gen. could have been done better, and they really should have stepped up and designed a platform that could handle just about any powertrain without significant encroachment into the passenger/cargo area, the way VW did with their MQB. Still, the number of people who really need five seats is an ever-decreasing part of the U.S. population, so we'll have to see how important that is. The biggest advantage for the Volt is that I expect 1st gen Volts in considerable numbers to still be on the road in regular use a decade from now, and that's highly unlikely for 1st gen LEAFs. Depending on the price of gas, of course.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Sun May 31, 2015 4:52 pm

Apparently no Bolt for GM.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/30/chev ... ded-uspto/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chevy Bolt trademark application suspended by USPTO

So, what will the BEV be called ? I suppose reVOLT.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Sun May 31, 2015 10:03 pm

evnow wrote:Chevy Bolt trademark application suspended by USPTO
Bolt was a terrible name anyway, considering how confusingly similar sounding it is to Volt. My guess is they will probably trademark "Bolt EV". That should fix both problems.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:06 pm

evnow wrote:Apparently no Bolt for GM.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/30/chev ... ded-uspto/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chevy Bolt trademark application suspended by USPTO

So, what will the BEV be called ? I suppose reVOLT.
Via GCR:
Chevy Bolt EV Trademark To Be Shared With Yamaha After U.S. Patent Office Suspension: UPDATE
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/109 ... ent-office" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

While I'm not enamored of the Bolt name, is anyone really likely to choose not to buy a car based on what it's called? Which reminds me of the SNL sketch that killed a long-running ad campaign for Flucker's (er, Smucker's) jam by pointing out the illogicality of the tag line:

Jane Curtin: . . . And so, with a name like Fluckers, it’s got to be good.

Chevy Chase: Hey, hold on a second, I have a jam here called Nose Hair. Now with a name like Nose Hair, you can imagine how good it must be. MMM MMM!!

Dan Aykroyd: Hold it a minute folks, but are you familiar with a jam called Death Camp? That’s Death Camp! Just look for the barbed wire on the label. With a name like Death Camp it must be so good it’s incredible! Just amazingly good jam!

John Belushi: Wait a minute . . . Dog Vomit, Monkey Pus. We offer you a choice of two of the most repulsive brand names of jams you’ve ever heard of. With names like these, this stuff has got to be terrific. We’re talking fabulous jam here!

Chevy Chase: Save your breath fella! Here’s a new jam we’ve just put out. It’s called Painful Rectal Itch. You’d have to go a long way to find a worse name for a jam. And good? MMM WAH! With a name like Painful Rectal Itch you gotta bet that it’s great . . .

Dan Aykroyd: Mangled Baby Ducks. That’s right, Mangled Baby Ducks! Picture a jam so good that you’d dare to call it Mangled Baby Ducks! Great Jam! It’s beautiful jam!

John Belushi: Wait a minute, wait a minute, this is it - 10,000 Nuns and Orphans.

Jane Curtin: 10,000 Nuns and Orphans? What’s so bad about that?

John Belushi: They were all eaten by rats! Oh, it’s so good! MMM!

Garrett Morris: Hold it, hold it everyone, your attention please, I have here a jam called, Oh God, [mumbles] Ick! Yecch!

Dan Aykroyd: It’s so good it’s sick making!

Chevy Chase: Oh, that’s gotta be great jam!

Jane Curtin: So if it’s great jam you’re after, try this one, the brand so disgusting you can’t say it on television. Ask for it by name!
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:51 am

For anyone considering leasing a Gen 2 Volt when it's available (or leasing some of the 2015 model year Gen 1s, which are still around)...

GM has brought its leasing function in-house. U.S. Bank and Ally are no longer the lease providers. This is bad news, since some of the recent lease quotes suggest GM Financial is not passing on any portion of the $7,500 tax credit to leasees, either as a cap cost reduction or residual inflation. This makes leasing a Volt very unattractive, especially if you qualify for the full $7,500 tax credit if you were to purchase the vehicle.


(Unlike NMAC, which passed on the $7,500 tax credit as a cap cost reduction, Ally and U.S. Bank passed on the tax credit as an inflation to the residual. GM Financial is not doing either.)
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:52 am

EPA rating of 53 electric range ...

http://autoweek.com/article/green-cars/ ... z3hqzQoSuU

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As others with the first-gen have done a bit better than what the EPA range was, I wonder what 'real world' range this 2nd gen turns out to be --- now if they do decide to make the mid-size SUV that would be perfect for me ... this isn't the best looking thing but you always trade off beauty for a bit more utility ...

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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:23 pm

redLEAF wrote:EPA rating of 53 electric range ...

As others with the first-gen have done a bit better than what the EPA range was, I wonder what 'real world' range this 2nd gen turns out to be
Easily 60 miles. I still regularly get 45 in my 3.5 year old 2011 which was rated at 35 miles!

As old LEAF owners have been pointing out this is better than many old LEAF cars.
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Re: Gen 2 GM Volt Plug-in Hybrid (2016+) MSRP $33,995

Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:58 pm

redLEAF wrote:EPA rating of 53 electric range ...
Pretty impressive #. The gas mileage improvement is also welcome, as is the premium gas no longer being required.

If it only had a 6.x+ kW OBC, even as an option...

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