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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:02 am

Elon said the money they raised would be burned in 10 month based on XYZ. The FUD media changed it to "they will be out of money in 10 months" This is typical word smithing and headline manipulation. I constantly hear people quoting nonsense and manipulated tag lines about Tesla and then siting it is the cause of the stock dropping. If you do some deep research you may be shocked at what is really going on with Tesla and its stock. Many people that post here have no idea about the actual facts they just repeat the propaganda they hear. Then there are people like Loren that come to this forum with a primary goal to say anything to discredit everything about Tesla with made up "facts" and other nonsense. Loren still insists on technical facts about Teslas that are false yet will not ever accept a challenge to be proven wrong, just silence. I have never seen so many big interests systematically and illegally try to destroy a company, makes you wonder why. In the meantime Nissan has a CEO with an interesting issue yet it has almost no media coverage relative to the nonsense Tesla daily headlines.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:28 am

EVDRIVER wrote:that come to this forum with a primary goal to say anything to discredit everything about Tesla with made up "facts" and other nonsense.
Funny. I thought for sure you were going to write:
that come to this forum with a primary goal to say anything to discredit everything about Nissan with made up "facts" and other nonsense.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:58 am

EVDRIVER wrote:Elon said the money they raised would be burned in 10 month based on XYZ. The FUD media changed it to "they will be out of money in 10 months" This is typical word smithing and headline manipulation. I constantly hear people quoting nonsense and manipulated tag lines about Tesla and then siting it is the cause of the stock dropping. If you do some deep research you may be shocked at what is really going on with Tesla and its stock. Many people that post here have no idea about the actual facts they just repeat the propaganda they hear. Then there are people like Loren that come to this forum with a primary goal to say anything to discredit everything about Tesla with made up "facts" and other nonsense. Loren still insists on technical facts about Teslas that are false yet will not ever accept a challenge to be proven wrong, just silence. I have never seen so many big interests systematically and illegally try to destroy a company, makes you wonder why. In the meantime Nissan has a CEO with an interesting issue yet it has almost no media coverage relative to the nonsense Tesla daily headlines.
Lots of arguments from both sides about Tesla.

Long story short: the company can't make money. Year after year says "we're almost there to being profitable" and year after year continues not to be profitable.

At some point if a company cannot make money it will dissolve. It's that simple. Tesla has been at this for over a decade. They are running out of time. If they cannot get sustainably profitable they will follow the same path as the majority of automotive companies that have been founded in this country: bankruptcy. Will it be this year or in five who knows, but this is a problem they have been unable to solve.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:28 am

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
EVDRIVER wrote:Elon said the money they raised would be burned in 10 month based on XYZ. The FUD media changed it to "they will be out of money in 10 months" This is typical word smithing and headline manipulation. I constantly hear people quoting nonsense and manipulated tag lines about Tesla and then siting it is the cause of the stock dropping. If you do some deep research you may be shocked at what is really going on with Tesla and its stock. Many people that post here have no idea about the actual facts they just repeat the propaganda they hear. Then there are people like Loren that come to this forum with a primary goal to say anything to discredit everything about Tesla with made up "facts" and other nonsense. Loren still insists on technical facts about Teslas that are false yet will not ever accept a challenge to be proven wrong, just silence. I have never seen so many big interests systematically and illegally try to destroy a company, makes you wonder why. In the meantime Nissan has a CEO with an interesting issue yet it has almost no media coverage relative to the nonsense Tesla daily headlines.
Lots of arguments from both sides about Tesla.

Long story short: the company can't make money. Year after year says "we're almost there to being profitable" and year after year continues not to be profitable.

At some point if a company cannot make money it will dissolve. It's that simple. Tesla has been at this for over a decade. They are running out of time. If they cannot get sustainably profitable they will follow the same path as the majority of automotive companies that have been founded in this country: bankruptcy. Will it be this year or in five who knows, but this is a problem they have been unable to solve.
No one is profitable with EVs, they took more risk and invested far more. So yes it have been a long time but that would make sense. My issue is the systematic intentional attacks on the company. Tesla is likely the most American car company today and there are many organizations very threatened by their success. There are also plenty of people that just want to spread misinformation about Tesla, a few on this thread with some type of agenda. No one cares what Nissan or other car companies are doing because they do not have a disruptive product yet or the infrastructure in place to support country wide charging yet.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:33 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:No one is profitable with EVs,
Nissan claims to be profitable on the LEAF. For years, not three quarters.

https://insideevs.com/news/324017/nissa ... -4-cities/
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:03 pm

WetEV wrote:
EVDRIVER wrote:No one is profitable with EVs,
Nissan claims to be profitable on the LEAF. For years, not three quarters.

https://insideevs.com/news/324017/nissa ... -4-cities/
Nissan claims quite a few things. Nissan also has been selling the same basic EV for 11 years and has a massive company to absorb costs. They have a battery that was quickly dated, they do almost no significant improvements, don't honor warranties in many cases and have an exiting service network and no charging network. I would hope they are making a profit this far out. They also were not a start up company that has bought other companies and done much more. The comparisons are pretty laughable. If Nissan had the Tesla model they would not have lasted three years tops.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:56 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:Nissan also has been selling the same basic EV for 11 years and has a massive company to absorb costs. They have a battery that was quickly dated, they do almost no significant improvements, don't honor warranties in many cases and have an exiting service network and no charging network. I would hope they are making a profit this far out. They also were not a start up company that has bought other companies and done much more. The comparisons are pretty laughable. If Nissan had the Tesla model they would not have lasted three years tops.
Original LEAF has a 24kWh battery. Current LEAF is 62kWh. Looks like a very significant improvement to me.

Nissan's batteries don't catch fire. Tesla's batteries do. Sure, not at the same rate as all ICE cars. Most ICE fires are in fairly old cars. What's going happen when Tesla cars and batteries get old?

Nissan uses automotive grade electronic components. So does every other car company. Other than Tesla, unfortunately for Tesla owners... Yellow lines on your display yet?

Vampire losses, repair costs, the list goes on and on. Sure, is a cool and popular car today. Tomorrow? Next year? Next decade?
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:26 pm

WetEV wrote:
EVDRIVER wrote:Nissan also has been selling the same basic EV for 11 years and has a massive company to absorb costs. They have a battery that was quickly dated, they do almost no significant improvements, don't honor warranties in many cases and have an exiting service network and no charging network. I would hope they are making a profit this far out. They also were not a start up company that has bought other companies and done much more. The comparisons are pretty laughable. If Nissan had the Tesla model they would not have lasted three years tops.
Original LEAF has a 24kWh battery. Current LEAF is 62kWh. Looks like a very significant improvement to me.

Nissan's batteries don't catch fire. Tesla's batteries do. Sure, not at the same rate as all ICE cars. Most ICE fires are in fairly old cars. What's going happen when Tesla cars and batteries get old?

Nissan uses automotive grade electronic components. So does every other car company. Other than Tesla, unfortunately for Tesla owners... Yellow lines on your display yet?

Vampire losses, repair costs, the list goes on and on. Sure, is a cool and popular car today. Tomorrow? Next year? Next decade?

Increasing the pack size after long delays with the same air cooled pack is not a significant improvement it's a stop-gap. That significant improvement did not make for a significant increase in sales. Is the Nissan pack automotive grade? Yes Tesla uses automotive grade parts. I don't have a screen issue or know anyone that does. I have met every single Nissan LEAF engineer form Japan, believe me Nissan is not a progressive cutting edge company. The LEAF was a good EV when it first came out but it was quickly dated but they are great short-distance bargain EVs if you can deal with the degradation and charging restrictions. Comparing Tesla and Nissan is silly they are miles apart in every imaginable way.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:51 pm

EVDRIVER wrote: Increasing the pack size after long delays with the same air cooled pack is not a significant improvement it's a stop-gap. That significant improvement did not make for a significant increase in sales. Is the Nissan pack automotive grade? Yes Tesla uses automotive grade parts. I don't have a screen issue or know anyone that does.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:13 pm

Stoaty wrote:My 2013 model S 85 kwh does not have any issues with the screen.
Keep it cool.

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/tes ... de-matters
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