Evoforce
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:39 pm

You Tesla detractors are hilarious. :lol: Even with this situation, My Model S is worlds better than my Nissan Leafs. But hey, keep trying to grasp at anything to boost your negativity toward Tesla, the best electric vehicles currently on the market.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:47 pm

Evoforce wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:39 pm
You Tesla detractors are hilarious. :lol: Even with this situation, My Model S is worlds better than my Nissan Leafs. But hey, keep trying to grasp at anything to boost your negativity toward Tesla, the best electric vehicles currently on the market.
I don't think there's much if any contention that Teslas are generally the best BEVs on the market currently, the question is whether or not Tesla as a company can survive, especially as the competition increases rapidly over the next couple of years. Having the best product is rarely enough by itself.

[Added] IEVS:
Tesla Sued By Walmart For Solar Panel-Related Fires & Other Issues
https://insideevs.com/news/366187/walma ... esla-fire/


Apparently they've got Tesla panels installed at 240 stores, and have had fires related to them at 7. The article contends Walmart may well cancel their order for Tesla Semis as well.


Also IEVS:
Tesla Catches Fire In China, Automaker Blames Repair Shop
https://insideevs.com/news/366082/video ... pair-shop/


It was a Tesla-certified repair shop, but Tesla says they mishandled it.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:07 pm

GRA wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:47 pm

[Added] IEVS:
Tesla Sued By Walmart For Solar Panel-Related Fires & Other Issues
https://insideevs.com/news/366187/walma ... esla-fire/


Apparently they've got Tesla panels installed at 240 stores, and have had fires related to them at 7. The article contends Walmart may well cancel their order for Tesla Semis as well.

Well, if I'm not mistaken they are not Tesla panels. Solar City was installing panels from multiple vendors before Tesla bought them and started manufacturing their own panels. But the article I read showed some very bad solar maintenance, like leaving junction boxes open to the weather and wires not routed properly. It does seem that Solar City was growing too fast, and they did not have a well trained staff maintaining these panels, and Tesla is responsible for fixing this after they purchased Solar City. It is not good news, but it is also something that they can fix with their other customers even if they can't find a way to fix their relationship with WalMart. I'm betting that they come to an agreement with WalMart for both the solar and the future vehicle sales.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:24 pm

That could all be true but the 'general public' often doesn't know or care as much about the facts as they probably should. Ie, image matters a lot and people can be biased for no good reason. That's one reason companies care so much about their image and reputation in the marketplace and why a CEO (or company) who seems arrogant and smarter than everyone can piss a lot of people off. And folks who have a choice usually will pick a product from a company that they feel good about, for better or worse. For now, Tesla is the cool choice for the early adopters and techno-geeks and self-styled cool kids. For Joe Sixpack in Toledo, not so much.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:49 am

goldbrick wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:24 pm
That could all be true but the 'general public' often doesn't know or care as much about the facts as they probably should. Ie, image matters a lot and people can be biased for no good reason. That's one reason companies care so much about their image and reputation in the marketplace and why a CEO (or company) who seems arrogant and smarter than everyone can piss a lot of people off. And folks who have a choice usually will pick a product from a company that they feel good about, for better or worse. For now, Tesla is the cool choice for the early adopters and techno-geeks and self-styled cool kids. For Joe Sixpack in Toledo, not so much.
Indeed on all of the above. I work in Silicon Valley and my company is partially a tech company. We have tons of Teslas and it seems like we have some fanboys amongst us.

At the same time, Elon is very polarizing. When Elon tweeted that you had to work 80 to 100 hours/week to "change the world" (https://www.inc.com/business-insider/el ... world.html), there was some REALLY negative reaction from some folks within my company.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:39 am

EVDRIVER wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:21 am
EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:27 am
lorenfb wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:05 am
Another view on OTA updates, i.e. the BMS;

With what little I know about this lawsuit (only scanned the last several posts), seems like a strong case. Buying something and then it is deliberately made worse by an OTA update is going to annoy people, of course. This is obviously tesla's response to battery issues because it's easier and cheaper to do this than partake in a very expensive recall.

The future of tesla continues to look bleak. Short of parceling out their brand and/or selling themselves to a competitor (e.g. somebody in China), it's difficult to see them still around as a legitimate car company for years to come.
If you think it's bleak because of this then you should short the stock.
I already did, via puts, then the stock went down as expected, and I still lost out.

This is an extremely dangerous stock to trade because it is a constant battle between those who harness reason and math against those who are driven by pedagogue and religion. In this constant fight I am okay predicting the long term resolution, but short term (6 months, one year), it's anybody's guess.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:08 am

Evoforce wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:39 pm
You Tesla detractors are hilarious. :lol: Even with this situation, My Model S is worlds better than my Nissan Leafs. But hey, keep trying to grasp at anything to boost your negativity toward Tesla, the best electric vehicles currently on the market.
This thread is not about your car. It's about the company.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:46 pm

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:27 am
...The future of tesla continues to look bleak. Short of parceling out their brand and/or selling themselves to a competitor (e.g. somebody in China), it's difficult to see them still around as a legitimate car company for years to come.
The brand, infrastructure and IP is formidable. If there's any sign of floundering, expect deep pockets to move in and install a board capable of running a vehicle manufacturing business at a profit. This is not Delorean Motor Company.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:27 am

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:08 am
Evoforce wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:39 pm
You Tesla detractors are hilarious. :lol: Even with this situation, My Model S is worlds better than my Nissan Leafs. But hey, keep trying to grasp at anything to boost your negativity toward Tesla, the best electric vehicles currently on the market.
This thread is not about your car. It's about the company.
Sure it is. What is missed is that the product is superior. That goes a long way to receiving the public investment in their stock.

You mentioned the skimming of the TMC thread and some may miss the larger picture of this lawsuit that may eventually help all people with any vehicles that get over the air software changes.

We need to support any/all of the companies that are serious about manufacturing EV's but these companies may also need to be prompted by legal once in a while to not mistreat their consumers and to define where the lines are to be drawn.

This is disruptive technology and many things need refining and redefining. Hoping/wanting any of them to fail is just cutting our own nose off no matter what brand is preferred. It might well be that without Tesla many of the manufacturers might have never started working on producing BEV's and others may have just quit producing BEV's.
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*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:36 am

cwerdna wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:49 am
goldbrick wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:24 pm
That could all be true but the 'general public' often doesn't know or care as much about the facts as they probably should. Ie, image matters a lot and people can be biased for no good reason. That's one reason companies care so much about their image and reputation in the marketplace and why a CEO (or company) who seems arrogant and smarter than everyone can piss a lot of people off. And folks who have a choice usually will pick a product from a company that they feel good about, for better or worse. For now, Tesla is the cool choice for the early adopters and techno-geeks and self-styled cool kids. For Joe Sixpack in Toledo, not so much.
Indeed on all of the above. I work in Silicon Valley and my company is partially a tech company. We have tons of Teslas and it seems like we have some fanboys amongst us.

At the same time, Elon is very polarizing. When Elon tweeted that you had to work 80 to 100 hours/week to "change the world" (https://www.inc.com/business-insider/el ... world.html), there was some REALLY negative reaction from some folks within my company.
Yes Millennials don't generally like to work much at all and everyone lovers long hours. There are still yet no EV's on the market that compete head to head with Tesla. None produced or announced. All the so called "Tesla Killers" ended up being duds. What is doing very well is Tesla FUD and stock manipulators as well as experts on the Tesla products that have never driven one. Not to mention auto journalists that give bad reviews on AP while having AP turned off during testing claiming it does not work. The nonsense and ignorance is surreal.

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