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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:25 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:04 pm
Kleenex effect
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ ... les-fizzle
Another poorly written article . Few charging stations? Perhaps for legacy car makers. Prius Prime best selling EV? I was not aware a hybrid is an EV and one with range anxiety. The list goes on. The media is a big part of the issue with adoption, between the FUD, poor research and generalizations.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:42 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:54 am
GRA wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:30 pm
EVDRIVER wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:17 pm


No, people who mix up the pedals like on an ICE and those that are not paying attention. No way I would ever hit a stopped anything even if AP was on and ignored it, This is pure foolishness and it's proven over and over again. Own a Tesla and you will understand why these idiots hit things, negligence on their part. Every single fool that drives through a wall or their house, in the car or not is just passing blame. Good thing for car logs.

Except that A/P has been on for many of these rear-end crashes, and according to NTSB, NHTSA and Tesla themselves AP/AEB can't recognize a stopped vehicle in this situation, as it classifies it as a non-target. This isn't just a Tesla issue, none of the other companies' systems recognize them either, to avoid false positives from signs above/next to the roadway that would cause constant braking. Until such time as they can do recognize and correctly classify them (reliably) it will remain a serious problem.
Stupid irresponsible drivers abuse it as well. Use some common sense I have yet to see one single Tesla accident that does not reek of driver fault.

Of course there's driver error, the error being that people will depend on A/P to handle the situation despite being told not to do so. 50 years of research shows that's how humans behave, so designing a system that relies on them behaving differently is dumb (and IMO criminal), and should be outlawed until such time as the system can handle the job without human intervention.

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Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:54 am
Also do you really have to ask how much power a screen in a Tesla would use as if it impacts the total load at an SC? It's clear to me how bad information spreads, these parasitic power claims are blown way out of proportion. Buy an EV and try and refrain from perpetuating nonsense there is already plenty of click bait all over.

If I want to know the correct answer, of course I have to ask. Would you prefer that I just make up a number out of the air? If you know the answer, do tell. I don't claim to be up on the power requirements of current displays, nor do I know what kind of other housekeeping draws Tesla might have going on.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:56 am

It's pointless to even ask as there is no way all the entire systems combined except the heater and AC are going to make any difference and that's the point you missed. Did you expect the screen to draw 2kW? Common sense.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:24 am

The screen itself probably 50 watts or less. I don't think it is a CRT.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:31 pm

GRA wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:23 pm
Reuters:
U.S. will look at sudden acceleration complaints involving 500,000 Tesla vehicles
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesl ... SKBN1ZG1IL
The petition was submitted by a Tesla shorter.
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/19/th ... n-a-tesla/

What a surprise!
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:27 pm

jlv wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:31 pm
GRA wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:23 pm
Reuters:
U.S. will look at sudden acceleration complaints involving 500,000 Tesla vehicles
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesl ... SKBN1ZG1IL
The petition was submitted by a Tesla shorter.
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/19/th ... n-a-tesla/

What a surprise!
Time for the SEC to be notified.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:43 pm

jlv wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:31 pm
GRA wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:23 pm
Reuters:
U.S. will look at sudden acceleration complaints involving 500,000 Tesla vehicles
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesl ... SKBN1ZG1IL
The petition was submitted by a Tesla shorter.
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/19/th ... n-a-tesla/

What a surprise!
I wonder when the SEC will do their job and look at some of insane activity some of these shorts engage in, and I don't mean stuff like this FUD.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:12 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:56 am
It's pointless to even ask as there is no way all the entire systems combined except the heater and AC are going to make any difference and that's the point you missed. Did you expect the screen to draw 2kW? Common sense.
No, but along with the sound system? That's where the biggest power drain (aside from HVAC/battery heating) is likely to be while charging. Any info on the audio/amp draw?
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:25 pm

Digital- low and irrelevant.

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