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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:22 am

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why Tesla is leading by years in FSD
When Tesla gets approval to "full self drive" without a human present at the controls, let us know.

Waymo One does that today. Cruise has approval in CA, but hasn't done so yet...Tesla?
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:00 pm

WetEV wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:22 am
GaleHawkins wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:57 am
why Tesla is leading by years in FSD
When Tesla gets approval to "full self drive" without a human present at the controls, let us know.

Waymo One does that today. Cruise has approval in CA, but hasn't done so yet...Tesla?
I have yet to see any Waymo EVs in KY. What is the upcharge for FSD on a Waymo EV?

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:27 am

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:45 pm

Some were not happy it spiking the price before they had the chance to add to their current level of ownership. Well selling cars is not their core income anymore.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:22 pm

Tesla the brand is second to bottom.

Model S is no longer recommended.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-m ... ports.html
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:13 pm

WetEV wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:22 pm
Tesla the brand is second to bottom.

Model S is no longer recommended.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-m ... ports.html
And, the Model S has made it to the bottom 10 reliability list: https://www.consumerreports.org/car-rel ... able-cars/. The Model X is no longer in the bottom 10. In the past, Model X was in the bottom 10 every single year that CR had reliability data for it.

I have an online subscription and it says for S: "Trouble spots: Steering/suspension, body hardware, climate system, in-car electronics."

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:00 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:13 pm
WetEV wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:22 pm
Tesla the brand is second to bottom.

Model S is no longer recommended.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-m ... ports.html
And, the Model S has made it to the bottom 10 reliability list: https://www.consumerreports.org/car-rel ... able-cars/. The Model X is no longer in the bottom 10. In the past, Model X was in the bottom 10 every single year that CR had reliability data for it.

I have an online subscription and it says for S: "Trouble spots: Steering/suspension, body hardware, climate system, in-car electronics."
Keep in mind the Model 3 was the first vehicle built by the machine that builds the machine. The Model Y is a much better yet costs less to build than a new Model 3.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:04 pm

Oddly, Model Y didn't make it to their bottom 10 reliability list but it has a terrible reliability rating when looking at CR. It receives a 1 out of 5 for predicted reliability. Model S receives 2 out of 5.

When looking at the individual model years, the only year for Y is 2020 and it receives the worst mark (there are 5 icons and it'd be a 1/5). For S, the '19 and '20 receive those 1/5 marks while older years did better.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-auto ... KKBN27Z29K
Owners of the Model Y, which began production in January, have reported misaligned body panels that had to be fixed and mismatched paint including, in one case, human hair stuck in the paint, according to Consumer Reports. The Model Y finished with a “much worse than average” reliability rating.

Tesla’s ranking would have risen a few spots if not for the Model Y’s performance, said Jake Fisher, senior director of auto testing at Consumer Reports.

New models often have reliability issues, but Tesla’s problems were not typical.

“I am surprised that we would see just basic paint and trim type issues and body panel fitment issues,” he said in an interview. “You would think that that would have been worked out a long time ago.”

“Really disappointing when you spend this much money for a car and hopefully they’ll be able to rectify a lot of these as time goes by,” Fisher added.
...
The Tesla Model S sedan and Model X SUV were both “worse than average, with the former losing its “recommended” status, Fisher said. The Model 3 sedan maintained an “average” rating and its “recommended” status.
Nevermind... I figured why Y isn't in the bottom 10 yet.

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-rel ... able-cars/ says "To be considered for this list, we must have at least two model years of data in calculating the predicted reliability score."

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:18 pm

They may also take into consideration the types of problems. Misaligned body panels don't cause breakdowns - although I suspect that a roof flying off would count!
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:46 pm

CR also requires a certain minimum number of responses to their customer surveys for a particular model, to ensure that they're statistically valid; if they don't have enough, that model won't get a reliability rating for that particular year, until they do have enough responses. This is primarily an issue with new models and new generations of existing models. I forget the number, but the methodology used in their reliability ratings is explained every year in the April auto issue.
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