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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:29 pm

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Tesla Offers One Year Of Free Model 3 & Y Supercharging To End 2020
https://insideevs.com/news/460207/tesla ... eliveries/

. . . Reports say Tesla's sales staff in North American [Sic.] has been told to offer one free year of Supercharging for "undelivered" Model 3 and Model Y vehicles. The promotion runs from December 12 to 31. Model 3 Standard Range vehicles are excluded.

This comes as no surprise. Tesla has done it before and it's likely the company will do it again. We know full well that the electric automaker pulls out all the stops at the end of every quarter. Moreover, each quarter is more important than the last, and the end of the year is the icing on the cake. That is ... if Tesla can actually pull off its lofty production and delivery targets. . . .

Tesla aims to deliver some 500,000 vehicles in 2020. There have been doubts all year that it would be able to pull the number off. This became especially true when the company, along with many companies across the globe, was shut down due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Nonetheless, Tesla has continued to have record quarters in terms of deliveries and profits.

With that said, it needs to deliver over 180,000 vehicles in Q4 2020, a number that's much higher than its current record. While Tesla used to bank on people buying its cars in larger numbers at the end of the year due to the U.S. federal EV tax credit, that's no longer the case. Now, it has to make other plans to incentivize deliveries. . . .
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:01 am

coleafrado wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:25 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:43 am
coleafrado wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:08 pm


Remember that "NO COST" is shorthand for "we let you use our patents, you agree to irrevocably abandon your patents in the EV space."

From Lexology:



ref: https://www.lexology.com/library/detail ... 473d0754c7
coleafrado do you see your above post as factual? What was your agenda for making the above post?
Of course I see it as factual. People seem to think Tesla just public-domained all of their patents with no strings attached.
Since I found previous discussion, I may as well add this here, as it points directly to Tesla's patent "pledge" and its fine print.

"Why Other Car Companies Don't Use Tesla Superchargers
Tesla says it will give its charging technology to any automaker who wants it. But the fine print makes this a terrible deal, even if it's free."
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3503 ... rchargers/

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:40 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:01 am
coleafrado wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:25 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:43 am


coleafrado do you see your above post as factual? What was your agenda for making the above post?
Of course I see it as factual. People seem to think Tesla just public-domained all of their patents with no strings attached.
Since I found previous discussion, I may as well add this here, as it points directly to Tesla's patent "pledge" and its fine print.

"Why Other Car Companies Don't Use Tesla Superchargers
Tesla says it will give its charging technology to any automaker who wants it. But the fine print makes this a terrible deal, even if it's free."
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3503 ... rchargers/
Sounds like others want a piece of Tesla's Cake but to share none of theirs.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:50 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:40 pm
Sounds like others want a piece of Tesla's Cake but to share none of theirs.
Tesla says all of your cakes belong to us.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:50 am

WetEV wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:50 am
GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:40 pm
Sounds like others want a piece of Tesla's Cake but to share none of theirs.
Tesla says "All of your cakes belong to us".
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:19 am

cwerdna wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:01 am
Since I found previous discussion, I may as well add this here, as it points directly to Tesla's patent "pledge" and its fine print.

"Why Other Car Companies Don't Use Tesla Superchargers
Tesla says it will give its charging technology to any automaker who wants it. But the fine print makes this a terrible deal, even if it's free."
This article at Road and track is clickbait junk.


Ok, here's the so-called "fine print" this article is talking about. Although, it's not "fine print" as it's not in smaller text or obscured in any way. Reproduced directly from https://www.tesla.com/about/legal#patent-pledge
Tesla’s Pledge

Tesla irrevocably pledges that it will not initiate a lawsuit against any party for infringing a Tesla Patent through activity relating to electric vehicles or related equipment for so long as such party is acting in good faith. Key terms of the Pledge are explained below.

...
A party is "acting in good faith" for so long as such party and its related or affiliated companies have not:
  • asserted, helped others assert or had a financial stake in any assertion of (i) any patent or other intellectual property right against Tesla or (ii) any patent right against a third party for its use of technologies relating to electric vehicles or related equipment;
  • challenged, helped others challenge, or had a financial stake in any challenge to any Tesla patent; or
The article also points to the end of the 2nd paragraph from the blog announcement at https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-pate ... belong-you for the "good faith" term:
Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology.
This basically says as long as you aren't involved in (or have a financial stake in) a challenge to a Tesla patent, Tesla won't initiate patent lawsuits against you for using their IP.

As I said, this article at Road and track is clickbait junk.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:35 pm

^^^
Disagree with your reading of Tesla's verbiage. Did you read the legal blog that the R&T article linked to? The server is down now but you can see a copy at https://www.lexology.com/library/detail ... %20handles..

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:30 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:35 pm
^^^
Disagree with your reading of Tesla's verbiage. Did you read the legal blog that the R&T article linked to? The server is down now but you can see a copy at https://www.lexology.com/library/detail ... %20handles..
I agree with jlv.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:42 pm

Tesla says "All of your cakes are belong to us".
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:59 pm

WetEV wrote:
Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:42 pm
Tesla says "All of your cakes are belong to us".
Interesting. :)

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