2017 Prius Prime PHEV

[SageBrush]

... which is why so many of us who would otherwise use chains opt for 4/AWD w/M+S tires..

I understand -- you choose a dangerous solution out of laziness.

A slightly more risky solution ...

Since M+S tyres do not carry ANY snow grip, ice, or cold rating, you are engaging in wishful thinking unless the car owner can point to extensive quality 3rd party testing.

Like AWD, they are (though perhaps not universally) a marketing gimmick with a grain of truth to help consumers rationalize their choices.

[GRA]

I understand -- you choose a dangerous solution out of laziness.

A slightly more risky solution ...

Since M+S tyres do not carry ANY snow grip, ice, or cold rating, you are engaging in wishful thinking unless the car owner can point to extensive quality 3rd party testing.

Like AWD, they are (though perhaps not universally) a marketing gimmick with a grain of truth to help consumers rationalize their choices.

If you're all that worried about the safety of tires, why do you even put winter tires on? After all, they're less safe than chains, so are you rationalizing a marketing gimmick with a grain of truth?

[GRA]

IEVS:

Toyota Prius Prime Exhaustive Review: The Good, The Bad, The Verdict

https://insideevs.com/toyota-prius-prim ... ve-review/

[cwerdna]

Toyota Prius Prime Was U.S.’ #1 Selling Plug-In Hybrid In 2018
https://insideevs.com/toyota-prius-prim ... brid-2018/

[LeftieBiker]

The Prime uses a heatpump - probably in combination with a resistance heater, but I'm not sure of that - so it will have good EV range until the temps fall below freezing. After that you'd likely be running the engine on the trip home, in frigid weather at least.

[SageBrush]

I owned the Prime for a year -- it is a great car.
Skip the heat pump (even though it IS an excellent one) and use heated seat and steering wheel instead. 19 miles is not problem on the battery in the winter if smart heating is used.

[DarthPuppy]

The nice thing about the Prime is that you don't really have to worry about the range. Worst case is that in the winter, you will have to burn some gas (very little) on your RT commute. As time takes its toll on the battery, that amout will increase. But you should still see a good reduction in gas usage versus your 02 Prius.

Of course, with your commute, there are a lot of BEV options that would work if you have access to an alternative for when you need to do longer trips. So if burning a little gas in the winter commute is an issue, you do have options available.

[cwerdna]

^^^
Sage and Darth, at this point, I wouldn't bother responding to qwab. Looks like a spammer given what I pointed to at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 88#p545788.

[LeftieBiker]

I removed the spam links from that post. If he does it again he'll be gone.

[cwerdna]

I removed the spam links from that post. If he does it again he'll be gone.

At least 3 of his posts still have seemingly spammy links.

You might want to add a mod edit note, if you can. Thanks!