GetOffYourGas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:08 pm
GRA wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:24 pm
No idea how many are doing so, but there are plenty of skiers here in the Bay Area and Sacramento areas, and
it stands to reason that people who do so are more likely to care about air pollution than the general public. I've seen my share of BEVs in Yosemite, including a Model X in the same overnight wilderness trailhead parking area (at a downhill resort) I left my car in on my most recent trip.
FCEV Claritys are sold in Northern California as well as Southern California, and you can certainly drive them to Tahoe to ski, as there are stations in Sacramento as well as Truckee. Getting from the Bay Area to Yosemite and back remains very difficult for an FCEV - a Nexo and probably a Clarity could do it with a lot of care, a Mirai no. As I usually go towards Yosemite and almost never to Tahoe anymore, it's not surprising that I haven't seen any Claritys in the mountains. As for SoCal, there are ski areas within round-trip FCEV range of L.A.
From my empirical experience, I disagree. Skiers care disproportionately about having AWD, not so much what comes out of their tailpipe. This is based on the large numbers of SUVs, Trucks, and Subarus in the parking lots.
AWD certainly looms large for
frequent skiers, and is one of the major reasons that we haven't seen greater adoption of ZEVs by them (myself included), but it's not a requirement for everyone. If I didn't insist on it, a Kia Niro (PHEV or maybe even BEV) would work for me and many others. Unfortunately, neither the Outlander or the Crosstrek PHEVs provide enough of an advantage to cause many people to opt for one of those.
GetOffYourGas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:08 pm
Teslas are in a different categories. Skiers also tend to have more discretionary budget than others (the sport is not cheap!). Those same people often buy Teslas for a statement and not for clean air.
True to an extent so far, although I have high hopes that the RAV4 Prime will start to move the income distribution downwards, as long as they keep the base MSRP below $35k, and preferably as close to $30k as they can get it - the RAV4 Hybrid's base MSRP is $28,100, so hopefully the Prime will be no more than $32K. Not all skiing is downhill; the skiers who are more likely to care about environmental issues are X-C types, and we need AWD as much as the people visiting downhill resorts. I do see Teslas at areas frequented by backcountry types, although as the latter demographic tends to value jobs that give them as much free time as possible more than those that generate lots of income, ZEV numbers in such places are still much lower than the demand. This tends to be the Subaru demographic (of which I'm a member), and Subaru, as a relatively small company, is moving slowly (too slowly IMO) and carefully to meet it - GCR:
Subaru aims for dramatic CO2 cuts: All hybrids and EVs by mid-2030s
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... -mid-2030s