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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:23 pm

He needs to cut back on the caffeine (or cocaine as the case may be).
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:51 pm

IEVS:
Porsche Taycan Vs Tesla Model S: Review, Road Test, Race, Charging
https://insideevs.com/reviews/379401/vi ... he-taycan/


That's a Turbo S vs. a P100D. Short version, results as you'd expect. If you want a car primarily for long distance touring/hauling lots of people or stuff, it's the S. If you want a car for driving really fast on a twisting road, it's the Taycan. Oh, and the Taycan beat the S 0-60, 2.61 to 2.68 seconds on the very first (and only) drag race, not that that matters all that much. Also, the Taycan's supposed to have a top speed of 259 km/h, but hit and held (per the speedo) 268. And I'll say it again, I love that green!
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:00 am

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Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:51 pm
If you want a car primarily for long distance touring/hauling lots of people or stuff, it's the S. If you want a car for driving really fast on a twisting road, it's the Taycan.
That sums it up nicely.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:09 am

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Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:37 pm
You can ask Tesla why they chose the battery warranty limits, but Tesla also says they expect 300,000 - 500,000 miles from typical use while Nissan says ~ 80,000 miles until end of life.
Expect and warrantied are two different things.

Compare them apples and grapes.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:13 am

WetEV wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:09 am
SageBrush wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:37 pm
You can ask Tesla why they chose the battery warranty limits, but Tesla also says they expect 300,000 - 500,000 miles from typical use while Nissan says ~ 80,000 miles until end of life.
Expect and warrantied are two different things.
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They can be, e.g., when it comes to Toyota or Tesla. Where it concerns Nissan it is about the same
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:41 am

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:13 am
WetEV wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:09 am
SageBrush wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:37 pm
You can ask Tesla why they chose the battery warranty limits, but Tesla also says they expect 300,000 - 500,000 miles from typical use while Nissan says ~ 80,000 miles until end of life.
Expect and warrantied are two different things.
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They can be, e.g., when it comes to Toyota or Tesla. Where it concerns Nissan it is about the same
If true, then half of all Nissan batteries are replaced under warranty.

Got any evidence for that?
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:37 am

WetEV wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:41 am
SageBrush wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:13 am
WetEV wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:09 am

Expect and warrantied are two different things.
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They can be, e.g., when it comes to Toyota or Tesla. Where it concerns Nissan it is about the same
If true, then half of all Nissan batteries are replaced under warranty.
Got any evidence for that?
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Your conclusion does not follow, and all the data and evidence in the world will be ignored by you and your personal anecdote will be trotted out instead.

For the rational reading this (not WetEV), consider that Nissan views 30% degradation as end of life (although not worthy of warranty replacement) and the warranty is 8 years. 30/8 = 3.7% degradation a year on average. Sound familiar ?
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:25 pm

GRA wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:51 pm
IEVS:
Porsche Taycan Vs Tesla Model S: Review, Road Test, Race, Charging
https://insideevs.com/reviews/379401/vi ... he-taycan/
Oh, and the Taycan beat the S 0-60, 2.61 to 2.68 seconds on the very first (and only) drag race, not that that matters all that much.
Lots of stories the last two days about how it looks like TopGear fudged the results, using prior results from 2017 for the Model S and not the current production numbers with the Raven update.

Someone noticed the interior shot of the Model S from TopGear's video at 1:07 shows the S was in Range Mode and that Ludicrous was turned off.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:49 pm

^^ Par for the course for that "entertainment" show.
I wonder how the pre-production Model S upgrade is doing on the 'ring. Elon has hinted that it will handily beat the Porsche but I have not seen any results.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:59 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:49 pm
^^ Par for the course for that "entertainment" show.
I wonder how the pre-production Model S upgrade is doing on the 'ring. Elon has hinted that it will handily beat the Porsche but I have not seen any results.
Well, I consider the pre-production, kludged Model S they are playing with silly "entertainment" equally on par with the hijinks TopGear did.
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