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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:05 am
by EatsShootsandLeafs
For years Tesla fans tripped over themselves to remind us all how there was no competitor to Tesla. Now that there is, nothing but rationalizing about how it's not a real competitor. That's the smell of fear.

Reviews are gushing about this car. Me, I'll never own one. Too damn expensive ;)

Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:27 am
by palmermd
I agree. Everything I've read about the car says it is just a fantastic car. In my experience Porsche is very conservative with their promises on performance, and I bet that it will beat all the stated specs which will make owners super happy. (under promise, over deliver) I'd love to own one, but sadly I too will likely never be able to afford one. This car is going to sell quite well. It will certainly be one of the highest volume cars that Porsche makes. It is going to change the way people think of an EV now that we have a real player in the game from an established automaker.

No disrespect to Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt, but they are really just toys. The technology is too new and the costs too high to make a truly great affordable car. We need these expensive cars to push the technology forward in order to lower the costs enough to make the affordable cars good. I'm now looking forward to spotting my first Taycan in the wild.

Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:25 pm
by LeftieBiker
Suggestion: buy a ticket for the annual climate change raffle, and choose the cash option. Then buy a Taycan instead of the Tesla grand prize. ;)

Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:50 pm
by palmermd
LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:25 pm
Suggestion: buy a ticket for the annual climate change raffle, and choose the cash option. Then buy a Taycan instead of the Tesla grand price. ;)

You'd be better off taking the Model X and then selling it to buy a Taycan. Prize is $137k payed to tesla and then 33% payed to IRS to cover taxes, or cash prize of $100k which ends up being closer to $70k after taxes. Pretty sure I can get more than $70k for a lightly used Model X. But then the least expensive Taycan is about $170k before tax and fees (with even the most basic options), so I'd still have to come up with about $50k to make the trade....still out of my price range. Bummer, but it was a good thought.

Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:42 pm
by GRA
GCR:
2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo high-speed charging hands-on: The next step for EVs
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... ep-for-evs

Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:22 pm
by Bouldergramp
Look at the 9/28/2019 Wall Street Journal:

RUMBLE SEAT
Can Porsche Beat Tesla With Its New Taycan
EV?
With its breakneck speed and high-tech luxury, Porsche’s all-electric Taycan could spell doom for
internal-combustion engines, says Dan Neil. But it might not be the best EV on the market
...
If you were hoping the Swabians would rise up to punch Elon Musk in the nose, not a chance.
The Taycan Turbo and Turbo S get 237-280 miles combined range out of their 93.4 kWh battery
pack, according to the European WLTP. Tesla’s Model S Performance (95 kWH nominal) is rated
345 miles range. The Tesla is no bigger outside but more spacious inside; lighter by about 180
pounds (vs. Turbo S); quicker to 60 mph (2.4 seconds); and half the price.

Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:47 pm
by cwerdna
palmermd wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:27 am
This car is going to sell quite well. It will certainly be one of the highest volume cars that Porsche makes.
You really think the latter?

Long ago, when Porsche first embarked on SUVs w/the Cayenne, the Porsche sports car purists weren't too happy that they were getting into that. Eventually (in the US), Cayennes outsold all other non-Cayennes combined.

From looking at the below, most of Porsche's unit sales come from SUVs, the above + Macan:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 11895.html
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2019/co ... 17218.html
https://www.motor1.com/news/300557/pors ... dels-2018/
For yet another year the most sold Porsche globally was the Macan with 86,031 vehicles followed closely by the Cayenne with 71,458 deliveries. Next is the Panamera which recorded the strongest growth year-over-year of 38 percent with 38,443 sales. Last but not least, the 911 also recorded double-digit rise - 35,573 sales or 10 percent more than 2017.

Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:51 pm
by palmermd
Wow. I never looked up the sales numbers on any individual cars from Porsche. I just assumed that none were over the 30000 Target for Taycan production.

Thanks for the information.

Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:44 am
by SageBrush
EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:05 am
For years Tesla fans tripped over themselves to remind us all how there was no competitor to Tesla. Now that there is, nothing but rationalizing about how it's not a real competitor. That's the smell of fear.

Reviews are gushing about this car. Me, I'll never own one. Too damn expensive ;)
Reviews also gush about the LEAF :lol:

"Competitor" is in the eye of the beholder but it should not take a Tesla fanboi to note high price, poor efficiency, and crappy charging network in the USA are pretty obvious negatives for the car. I think that the car will have a much better reception in Europe and I hope Porsche buyers find it an attractive choice.

Tesla remains the undisputed king of range and charging efficiency as range added per time. Oh, and performance in terms of acceleration. Why are you having trouble with the obvious ? Inferiority complex having a bad day ?

This table is from a Bjorn Nyland video published this week and shows Km of range added per time. I think Ionity was used for the faster charging cars; for the slow cars it does not matter. For obvious reasons the LEAF was not included.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5jasmq1fYo at 13:18

Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:25 am
by Stoaty
Since I wouldn't be able to supercharge the Taycan when taking a trip to Mammoth Lakes, it would be a non-starter for me (in addition to the price). My used 2013 Tesla model S was $43,500 and still has 250 miles of range. I don't think there will be much competition in California.