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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:11 pm

I think the whole Tesla battery conversation is off-topic for this thread and should be moved elsewhere.


FWIW, older Tesla's have their own collection of problems. E.g., Model S door handle failures, yellowing on the center screen. Significant battery degradation (like the LEAF) is not one of them. When people talk about buying a 2014 Model S, no one questions the state of the battery.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:12 pm

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:01 pm
EVDRIVER wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:40 am
EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:22 am
It's not at all nonsense. Cult-like behavior does not exist only within one kind of belief system.

Some of Musk's acolytes are as sure of him now as they ever have been, despite the company having floundered now for years, never having delivered the followers to the promised land of profit. TSLA now trading 3% higher than it was five years ago. Pays no dividend. S&P500 over the same period, not including dividends, is up 53%.

Yet still heathens are berated for their lack of faith. It's pitiful. Look at them tripping over themselves to discredit the Taycan, even though I've not read one review by an actual car journalist that doesn't rave about it as being superior to the Model S.
Do you think Tesla stock is not being manipulated? Tesla could not make target this quarter and loose 1% and they could sell 500K cars and loose 10%. Your assumptions about the stock are as logical as the stock movements. Tesla is not going anywhere soon and any rational person can see that. Trump and Musk do have things in common, Trump supporters would love to see Tesla die for reasons they don't and can't understand. Most think the govt subsidizes Tesla.
As far as I know only one person has been legally admonished so far for manipulating the stock and that would be the CEO of Tesla.

It's a widely shorted stock, but that's nothing new. Stocks have been shorted for a very long time. The reason the stock is down substantially from highs is really just about its valuation being indefensible more than any nefarious orchestrations by people. The diehards will chase this stock down to double digits and scream the entire time that it's not Tesla's fault. There is however enough real money from people looking to make profits that when they see the writing on the wall they pull out. And that's the real reason it's shed 1/3rd of its all time high.
It's not shorted like any other stock, do some real research and you will understand what I'm talking about. You are are not even warm yet.

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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:37 pm

^^ You are speaking in generalities that end up having almost no meaning.
Look at the graph I posted above of the largest cohort of 2013 Tesla batteries available for analysis outside of Tesla itself rather than quoting an anecdote from here or there.

You can ask Tesla why they chose the battery warranty limits, but Tesla also says they expect 300,000 - 500,000 miles from typical use while Nissan says ~ 80,000 miles until end of life.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:17 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:12 pm
EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:01 pm
EVDRIVER wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:40 am


Do you think Tesla stock is not being manipulated? Tesla could not make target this quarter and loose 1% and they could sell 500K cars and loose 10%. Your assumptions about the stock are as logical as the stock movements. Tesla is not going anywhere soon and any rational person can see that. Trump and Musk do have things in common, Trump supporters would love to see Tesla die for reasons they don't and can't understand. Most think the govt subsidizes Tesla.
As far as I know only one person has been legally admonished so far for manipulating the stock and that would be the CEO of Tesla.

It's a widely shorted stock, but that's nothing new. Stocks have been shorted for a very long time. The reason the stock is down substantially from highs is really just about its valuation being indefensible more than any nefarious orchestrations by people. The diehards will chase this stock down to double digits and scream the entire time that it's not Tesla's fault. There is however enough real money from people looking to make profits that when they see the writing on the wall they pull out. And that's the real reason it's shed 1/3rd of its all time high.
It's not shorted like any other stock, do some real research and you will understand what I'm talking about. You are are not even warm yet.
I can't get into conspiracies right now, but I'll just leave it that TSLA is one of the most shorted stocks. There's nothing weird or nefarious going on. Longs want it to go up, shorts want it to go down. Both sides spread FUD to try and make it happen.

Both sides.

Like with any other stock on the planet in which people have a vested interested in seeing it go up or down.

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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:59 pm

Do some research and I promise you will change your opinion. There is nothing normal about what happens with Tesla or it's stock, I see it first hand and I have first hand knowledge of what goes on, It's pretty pathetic.It's not really a conspiracy any more than what's happening on the news this eve.

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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:43 am

Haven't watched this yet.

"Here's 30 minutes of straight-up, weirdly calming Porsche Taycan production footage
The paint process is particularly fascinating"
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/04/por ... ine-video/

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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:06 am

Wonderful! Thanks.

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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:25 am

Riding a burst of electrons, the 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo S scorches the German Autobahn en route to Hamburg. Its projected range is becoming perilously low, which is to be expected considering I'm seeing 268 km/h on the dramatically curved digital instrument panel. That equates to 167 mph, and I haven’t dipped below 100 for the past half-hour. Pulling off the highway, another type of EV velocity is on display: inhaling DC at nearly 270 kilowatts, the Taycan replenishes its 93-kWh underfloor battery from 8-to-80 percent capacity in precisely 20 minutes. Based on my driving and calculations, it adds nearly 50 miles of range for every five minutes of max charging, resulting in the quickest “opportunity charging” of any EV. The expanding fast-charging network of VW Group's Electrify America is the other half of that equation, representing a key answer to Tesla's currently unmatched Supercharger network.
During an addictive series of launch-mode runs, we learned the importance of pressing skulls into the headrest before unleashing the NASA-style catapult, to avoid whiplash. Yet doing so also highlights a not-so-subtle point of comparison Porsche is trying to make in regards to Tesla: that the Taycan's systems and componentry are more reliable, and its resulting performance endlessly repeatable. Besides inherent differences in engineering and proving, Porsche's supposed advantage is due in part to a pioneering 800-volt electrical architecture (double that of the 400-volt Model S) that yields numerous benefits: dramatically reduced charging times, less strain on batteries and thermal management while charging, consistent high-performance output from electric motors, and sharply lowered weight and space requirements for high-voltage cables.
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/04/por ... ine-video/
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:51 pm

IEVS:
Porsche Taycan 4S Revealed: Offers Two Battery Sizes
https://insideevs.com/news/376127/porsc ... -4s-debut/

The Taycan 4S can be ordered immediately and is scheduled to arrive in US dealerships in spring 2020. Prices in the US start at $103,800 for the Taycan 4S with the Performance Battery, and $110,380 for the Taycan 4S equipped with the Performance Battery Plus. The Taycan Turbo starts at $150,900, and the Taycan Turbo S starts at $185,000, all excluding $1,350 for processing, delivery and handling.

0-60 in 3.8 sec. compared to sub-3 sec. for the more expensive trims, owing to lower power and torque. The Plus battery is the same 93 kWh as on the turbo/Turbo S, while the base 4S gets a 79kWh battery. Other differences are shown on an options chart.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:32 pm

The Porsche Taycan Secret No One Is Talking About!
https://youtu.be/TzkdrdwQvls?t=315
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