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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:58 am

Hopefully, many more details on the ioniq will be available next week.

If top speed matters to you, looks like the ioniq will beat any other BEV available for under ~$75k.
Hyundai will unveil all the members—hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and battery-electric—of its IONIQ range at the Geneva Motor Show next week....

The IONIQ Electric features a 28 kWh lithium-ion-polymer battery for an estimated range of more than 250 km (155 miles). The 295 N·m (218 lb-ft) of torque is delivered by the electric motor with maximum output of 88 kW (118 hp) through a single-speed reducer transmission accelerating the car up to 165 km/h (103 mph)...
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/02 ... ioniq.html

Video preview on all three versions below.

I prefer the no-grill look of the BEV version myself. It even has a decent front license plate location, which the LEAF does not.

Looks to me like the BEV charge port door is not located in one wrong location, the left front fender where it is on the PHEV.

I hope both charge ports (or one, if CCS) are under that big emblem on the nose, the single correct location for any BEV, IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_nQCcvFEsU
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:38 am

evnow wrote:
Not so long ago we heard from Europe that the Hyundai IONIQ could have up to 155 miles/250 km of range, not so long ago we heard from Hyundai that this next generation of all-electric vehicle would be special.

As it turns out, the Hyundai Electric (new name) is neither of those things…and we are more than a bit disappointed. . . .
Indeed.

I was thinking if Ioniq had 150 miles of range, I'd prefer that over Bolt, for eg. Not to be. It is just Soul EV in a newer body.

For 2016/17 it is a Fail. Too Little Too Late.

Afterall they are trying to answer Prius after nearly 2 decades - so shouldn't be surprising. OTOH, they should be able to get good deals from LG, so it is surprising.

Anyone have any insights on the relationship among various chaebols of Korea ?
I think it's too early to declare that without pricing. If they can come in around $27,500 then I think it can fill a niche lost by those chasing 200 miles at $35k+.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:43 pm

Hyundai still says this is a 155 mile EV. (cough)bullshit(/cough)

Per their press release:
"The IONIQ Electric offers pure e-mobility through a 28 kWh Lithium-ion Polymer battery for an estimated range of over 250 km (155 miles)."

That would be very optimistic even on Japan's test cycle.

Reference: http://insideevs.com/hyundai-to-present ... otor-show/
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:20 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
Looks to me like the BEV charge port door is not located in one wrong location, the left front fender where it is on the PHEV.

I hope both charge ports (or one, if CCS) are under that big emblem on the nose, the single correct location for any BEV, IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_nQCcvFEsU
In the video if you pause the frame just before the coupler connects you can see the CCS cap below the Mennekes inlet.

The video pretty clearly shows that the charge port on the BEV is driver side rear, like a Model S. Not my favorite location; my preference is the GM/Ford spot.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:22 pm

aarond12 wrote:Hyundai still says this is a 155 mile EV. (cough)bullshit(/cough)

Per their press release:
"The IONIQ Electric offers pure e-mobility through a 28 kWh Lithium-ion Polymer battery for an estimated range of over 250 km (155 miles)."

That would be very optimistic even on Japan's test cycle.

Reference: http://insideevs.com/hyundai-to-present ... otor-show/
Note that the language in the press release is pretty clearly intended for a non-US market. They may have to advertise the stupid NEDC numbers by law much like manufacturers in the US are only allowed to advertise EPA estimates.

I expect the Ioniq BEV to be a 110 mile EPA car, tops.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:23 pm

I'd take a guess that it will be at least 10% more efficient than the leaf with a 30kWh battery and if the kia is 28 usable I'd say that 120 miles EPA would be a good guess.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:40 am

Long article with photos and videos gives comprehensive view of the Geneva Motor Show reveal.

Only news I see on the BEV, is that it might allow charging at rates > 2C .
...Charging the IONIQ Electric’s lithium-ion polymer battery up to 80% only takes 24 minutes using a 100kW fast charger...
http://insideevs.com/hyundai-ioniq-elec ... os-videos/

If it does use CCS DC charging in the USA as some have speculated, it may be almost as frustrating for Ioniq owners, as for Bolt owners, to find their DC charging limited by the ~24 kW chargers BMW and ChargePoint are now installing.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:24 am

Remember, Kia rates the ~30.5 kWh Soul EV at only 93 miles EPA, apparently due to averaging range from the "80%" and "100%" charge settings.

So, exactly what this statement means re available capacity and range is still unclear, IMO.

Hyundai plans multiple versions of Ioniq hybrid


EV version includes adjustable regenerative braking, eco-routing


...The Ioniq Electric is expected to achieve a fully charged range of 110 miles in the United States, said Kim Choong, an engineer working on the car’s range and energy use...
https://www.autonews.com/article/201603 ... niq-hybrid

Korean version uses CHAdeMO DC:

http://www.mykiasoulev.com/forum/viewto ... f=12&t=410

USA...?
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:51 am

minispeed wrote:I'd take a guess that it will be at least 10% more efficient than the leaf with a 30kWh battery and if the kia is 28 usable I'd say that 120 miles EPA would be a good guess.
Looks like my optimism was off....

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/03/21/hyun ... ile-range/

110 miles EPA range, only 3 more than the 2016 leaf. Hopefully they seriously undercut it on price.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:04 pm

minispeed wrote: 110 miles EPA range, only 3 more than the 2016 leaf. Hopefully they seriously undercut it on price.
I believe $35k or so.

Expect this to sell in compliance car numbers once Bolt, Leaf 2 become available.
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