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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:35 pm

Via Plugincars.com

"Exclusive: In 2016, Toyota to Offer Wireless Charging on Next-Gen Prius Plug In"

http://www.plugincars.com/exclusive-201 ... 29901.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Infiniti, BMW and Honda are apparently all adopting it or considering it. 6.6 kW will be available by then.
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:29 pm

"Exclusive: In 2016, Toyota to Offer Wireless Charging on Next-Gen Prius Plug In"
We ask for electric heat, we ask for more range, we ask for a spare tire. What do we get? This crap.
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:15 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
"Exclusive: In 2016, Toyota to Offer Wireless Charging on Next-Gen Prius Plug In"
We ask for electric heat, we ask for more range, we ask for a spare tire. What do we get? This crap.
'This crap' will make PEVs far more acceptable to mainstream consumers, so far more will be bought. Toyota has already said you'll be getting more range, too. No idea on the spare tire, but I won't take a car on a trip without one. If the car doesn't come with one, I buy one separately, even though storage can be a pain.
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:38 pm

GRA wrote:'This crap' will make PEVs far more acceptable to mainstream consumers, so far more will be bought.
No wireless charging will be too expensive for mainstream consumers - esp for PIP where most people won't even get a L2 installed.
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:42 pm

+1

And I consider it a complex and inefficient solution to a problem that doesn't really even exist...
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GRA wrote:'This crap' will make PEVs far more acceptable to mainstream consumers, so far more will be bought.
No wireless charging will be too expensive for mainstream consumers - esp for PIP where most people won't even get a L2 installed.
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Sat Jul 05, 2014 6:15 pm

GRA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:
"Exclusive: In 2016, Toyota to Offer Wireless Charging on Next-Gen Prius Plug In"
We ask for electric heat, we ask for more range, we ask for a spare tire. What do we get? This crap.
'This crap' will make PEVs far more acceptable to mainstream consumers, so far more will be bought. Toyota has already said you'll be getting more range, too No idea on the spare tire, but I won't take a car on a trip without one. If the car doesn't come with one, I buy one separately, even though storage can be a pain.
Yep. I think it's easier to sell to/draw people who aren't enthusiasts and don't know much about EVs/PHEVs on wireless charging than it is on a spare tire. Those folks probably don't realize (at first) that virtually all plug-in vehicles don't have a spare. I don't think I've ever seen any ad/marketing campaigns on spare tires being included nor ones bashing competitors for not including one.

For the record, I do wish the US Leaf, PiP, Volt, Rav4 EV, etc. had a spare tire. There seems to be no good reason for the Rav4 EV doesn't have it. They could've used the rear door and spare tire from the ICEV version that has it back there.

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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Sat Jul 05, 2014 6:25 pm

TomT wrote:+1

And I consider it a complex and inefficient solution to a problem that doesn't really even exist...
evnow wrote:
GRA wrote:'This crap' will make PEVs far more acceptable to mainstream consumers, so far more will be bought.
No wireless charging will be too expensive for mainstream consumers - esp for PIP where most people won't even get a L2 installed.
+1

All that means it is more expensive up front and more expensive to use, plus less reliable. It also means the EV can ONLY be charged in the garage stall equipped with the wireless charging unless an EVSE is also provided. (Perhaps wireless charging stations will all include a standard EVSE, as well?)

All these things just look like more barriers to entry. EVs do not need that. IMO, eliminating barriers is a better marketing approach than erecting new ones.
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:09 pm

Wireless charging will probably by a costly option few will opt for. I think it would make sense mostly on premium vehicles - and once the price comes down substantially ($100 instead of $1k+) - then may be on midlevel EVs.

Already, the l2 EVSE + install can add a significant cost to a 3 year EV lease. No need to bump that further.

It may be a nice option in the long term when all public parking places have hidden chargers that are less vulnerable to copper theft.

Back to PIP 2016 model - the market will likely have
- 150 mile range $35k Leaf
- 200 mile range $40k Infiniti EV
- 200 mile range $40k Tesla Gen 3 bookings going on (production in 2017)

Not sure wireless charging will sway (m)any from the above or from non-plugin buyers to PIP. Wireless charging would be attractive only to established plugin owners who want to show off wireless charging.
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:37 pm

Wireless charging might make sense as an option on the Advanced model PIP - it might make the car more appealing to the affluent (not to the mainstream as alleged) and thus help to promote PHEVs for the rich, who often set trends. However, most people buy or lease the Base PIP, and for this what I wrote before stands: they could have done other things that would have helped much more to make the car popular, like give it an electric heater to go with the modest range increase. But then, since when does Toyota want to sell more PIPs than necessary...?
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Re: Official Toyota Prius PHEV thread

Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:28 pm

cwerdna wrote:
For the record, I do wish the US Leaf, PiP, Volt, Rav4 EV, etc. had a spare tire. There seems to be no good reason for the Rav4 EV doesn't have it. They could've used the rear door and spare tire from the ICEV version that has it back there.
-1 Don't agree.

I have only once had a nail in a tire and fixed it with a spray car from Canadian Tire store that was close by until I could get the tire replaced the next day.

My Smart ED comes with roadside assistance. Most EV's should, as this means if I am stuck for any reason, I can get help. I certainly would not want to give up some of my precious interior space for a micro spare tire. Nor would I want to carry it around for 10 years "just in case".

Sheesh, after 30 years of driving, I've had only one tire issue. Meanwhile, I've had wiper blades fail at extremely inopportune times, popped radiator hoses, etc, are you going to carry spares for stuff like that too? You couldn't possibly get me to believe that more than 1% of the car driving population wants or needs a spare tire.

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