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Re: Chrysler Pacifica PHEV minivan

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:50 pm
by LeftieBiker
Toyota should be chagrined, along with Honda and Nissan. They all have the components for a PHEV minivan, and in the case of the Prius V, it would take amazingly little adaptation to install the PHEV components from the Prius PHEV, but they just didn't bother...

Re: Chrysler Pacifica PHEV minivan

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:59 pm
by KeiJidosha
LeftieBiker wrote:Toyota should be chagrined, along with Honda and Nissan. They all have the components for a PHEV minivan, and in the case of the Prius V, it would take amazingly little adaptation to install the PHEV components from the Prius PHEV, but they just didn't bother...
Prius V curb weight is 3400 pounds, with a GVWR of 4400, a Sienna's curb weight starts at 4400, with GVWR of 6000. And frontal area (drag) is likewise much larger. The drive system and batteries have to scale up to match, which is expensive, and expectations are for minivans to be tough and reliable. The original Chrysler minivans were tested to truck division standards, not a place for under engineered kit. Also, minivan customers have a reputation of price sensitivity, so the Pacifica Hybrid is not a slam dunk success.

But the minivan IS the first, most logical step in scaling up from passenger to work vehicles. Honda and Chevy have supposedly talked partnering on electrification. With the arrival of better batteries, the time for bigger plug-in vehicles may be here too.

Re: Chrysler Pacifica PHEV minivan

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:14 pm
by LeftieBiker
Prius V curb weight is 3400 pounds, with a GVWR of 4400, a Sienna's curb weight starts at 4400, with GVWR of 6000. And frontal area (drag) is likewise much larger. The drive system and batteries have to scale up to match, which is expensive, and expectations are for minivans to be tough and reliable.


The Prius V already uses the Prius drivetrain, and that drivetrain is the same in the Prius PHEV. So you're talking about engineering for the weight difference between a Prius PHEV and a Prius V, which isn't large.

Re: Chrysler Pacifica PHEV minivan

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:50 pm
by RonDawg
LeftieBiker wrote:Toyota should be chagrined, along with Honda and Nissan. They all have the components for a PHEV minivan, and in the case of the Prius V, it would take amazingly little adaptation to install the PHEV components from the Prius PHEV, but they just didn't bother...
Toyota is still pinning its EV future on hydrogen FCEV, which is why they don't bother. I don't know what the battery size will be on the plug in version of the recently released model, but the one before that had a battery that barely qualified for California's HOV-exemption sticker.

Re: Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid - PHEV minivan

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:48 pm
by LeftieBiker
The new Prius PHEV will have an EPA range of 30 miles, according to Toyota, double the range of the current PIP. Since "barely qualifies" is the same as "qualifies" and doubling that makes it much better, I don't know why they don't bother. Having lost the Camry's reputation as the Gold Standard of family cars, they might well want to try to at least have a popular hybrid minivan.

Re: Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid - PHEV minivan

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:11 am
by evnow
This is on top of my list to replace oiur CUV. This has pushed Outlander PHEV down. They will be proceed about the same, I guess.

Re: Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid - PHEV minivan

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:32 am
by jjeff
evnow wrote:This is on top of my list to replace oiur CUV. This has pushed Outlander PHEV down. They will be proceed about the same, I guess.
As much as I'd like to stick with a Japanese vehicle, if the Pacifica arrives first, has at least a 30 mile electric range(which with a 16Kwh battery I believe it should be able to do) and be priced under $40k(before rebates) I might bite. My ultimate would be an all electric 5+ passenger NV-200 from Nissan but I'd really want it to have a minimum 100 mile range which on a vehicle with it's profile would probably require a 30+KWh battery, but who knows if/when they will ever introduce it. The VW Budde might also work for me, depending on size(passenger and cargo) but who knows if/when it will be available and at what price. I really like my little Leaf but need both more passenger room(5 would be OK but it would need more backseat room) and most importantly cargo room. While the Leaf is handy with it's hatchback it has very little room between the wheel wells and isn't very long to both the back of the second row or even back of the front row of seats when the back row is dropped. Our 10 year old Prius has much more cargo area storage, although it's probably longer, not sure it's much wider but it has much more room between the rear wheel wells.

Re: Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid - PHEV minivan

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:38 am
by redLEAF
Prices with the 'regular' ICE drivetrain; as most mfg typically sell the 'advanced' powertrains with their high end models that would mean $43,490 + but perhaps they'll offer it on the others as well ... ranges from a low of $29,490; I'm sure we'll see the PHEV version numbers soon; on the photo gallery provided, the plug-in model starts around photo 21 with a close up (but the EV 'fuel' flap is closed) at photo 41.

Not bad looking at all for a minivan and the in-car screens for GPS, etc. look pretty good as well --

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/ch ... z42WMUBdZE

Re: Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid - PHEV minivan

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:07 pm
by TomT
Chrysler has such an incredibly bad reputation for reliability and quality that it would never be on my list!
evnow wrote:This is on top of my list to replace oiur CUV. This has pushed Outlander PHEV down. They will be proceed about the same, I guess.

Re: Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid - PHEV minivan

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:06 pm
by dm33
TomT wrote:Chrysler has such an incredibly bad reputation for reliability and quality that it would never be on my list!
evnow wrote:This is on top of my list to replace oiur CUV. This has pushed Outlander PHEV down. They will be proceed about the same, I guess.
We have 150,000 miles on our 2006 and have been very happy with it. Only problems with the power doors. We had a Toyota Sienna before that had a suspension issue the dealer and Toyota couldn't or wouldn't fix without major escalation. We ditched the Toyota and got the caravan and couldn't be happier.

I guess everyone has their own experiences. Chrysler minivans seem fairly reliable since the early to mid 2000s. When they first came out they were famous for transmission issues but those have been long fixed.