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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:56 pm

GCC:
Groupe Renault introduces fuel-cell range extenders into its light commercial electric vehicles
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/1 ... nault.html


These are Kangoos, which have been tested by the post office with FC range-extenders since 2014, and the larger Master vans. The FC is 10kW, which boosts the Kangoo's range from 230 km/143 miles to 370 km/230 miles. The Master will go from 120 km/75 miles to 350 km/217 miles.
The Kangoo is expected to be available by the end of the year, the Master in 2020.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:14 pm

GCR:
Report: Long-haul electric semis aren't yet cost-effective
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... -effective

. . . An analysis concluded that while short- and medium-haul trucks powered by alternative fuels may be closing in on the break-even point, long-haul still has a way to go, with high-efficiency diesel models still outperforming BEVs in total cost of ownership, FreightWaves reports.

While Tesla claims that its all-electric semi will perform better and cost less than diesel-powered competitors, it remains to be seen just how that bears out in reality, as S&P Global Platts Analytics projects that BEV purchase premiums will work against their ultimate cost-competitiveness, even as far out as 2030. . . .

In fact, the analysis even favors fuel-cell electrics over battery-powered trucks. The average purchase price of an FCEV is expected to fall in line with diesel more quickly than that of an EV, but the high cost of hydrogen production, transmission and dispensing remains a confounding factor.

The script flips with short- and medium-haul routes, the report says, as regional routes require only half the range capacity of long-haul, which would mean cheaper batteries and thus cheaper trucks. With lower purchase prices, long-term running costs then favor BEV over FCEV or even diesel. . . .

Can't say there's any surprises here.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:39 pm

GCC:
Daimler Trucks’ Fuso unveils fuel-cell light-duty truck concept and production heavy-duty Super Great truck with L2 automation
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/1 ... -fuso.html
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:06 pm

GCC:
Anglo American orders nine 100 kW Ballard fuel cell modules for mining truck demo project
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/1 ... llard.html


H2 from solar at a Platinum mine.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:26 pm

GCC:
Cummins unveils hydrogen fuel cell truck as tech demonstrator
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/1 ... mmins.html


90 kW stack expandable in 30 or 45kW increments up to 180 kW, plus a 100kWh battery. Range is 150 to 250 miles and they're pitching it for "regional haul, urban delivery operations, port drayage and terminal container handling," which except for port drayage would seem to be uses better matched to BEVs, although high intensity container yard work might require too high a duty cycle for a BEV, i.e. not enough down time to charge.


Also GCC:
Volta Trucks partners with Prodrive to develop its electric heavy-duty truck
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/1 ... volta.html


Low cab with center-mounted driver, wrap-around windows, cameras and bus-style side doors to reduce accidents involving pedestrians/cyclists. Range 100 miles/top speed 50 miles, and this seems a better match for urban P&D than the above FCEV.


Also GCC:
GSC Logistics first to haul commercial cargo with a BYD electric semi through Altamont Pass
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/1 ... 9-byd.html


They hauled from the Port of Oakland to Tracy, about 50 miles one-way, and return. For those who don't know it, the Altamont pass is only at an elevation of 1,009 feet but has an 8% grade, and they were able to maintain 55 mph up it and return to the Port with 40% SoC of the 409 kWh pack left after the un-recharged round trip. Of course, the weather's been warm now although winds were low (this trip was on the 22nd before the high offshore winds that have been boosting the fires hit), so we'll have to see how it does in winter with a wet road, colder temps and high winds, and after some degradation. I'd say they need at least 500kWh to provide an adequate cushion.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:48 pm

GCC:
Alstom to test its hydrogen fuel cell train in the Netherlands; first pilot project outside Germany
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/1 ... lstom.html


These are the same types of FCEV trains that have been in service for just over a year in Germany. It seems likely that FCEV trains will be the way to go to get ZEVs on rail lines where the traffic doesn't justify electrifying the lines themselves. That would probably include most of the American west, although the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific (CMSTP&P) had two sections of their line totaling 645 miles electrified from early in the last century until the middle of the '70s.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:52 pm

Tom Moloughney at IEVS:
ZeroAvia Bets On Hydrogen For Electric Air Travel
https://insideevs.com/news/381094/zeroa ... ed-planes/


Looking at fixed-cost per hour leasing for powertrain and fuel. Still a few years away, but they have a single-engine (Piper) demonstrator. 500 mile commuter/regional flights are the initial target, the obvious market for FCEV prop aircraft.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:35 pm

GCC:
LADOT orders 130 BYD electric buses
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/1 ... ladot.html


. . .The project fits with the City of Los Angeles’ “Green New Deal,” a set of sustainability goals that includes converting the entire LADOT fleet to zero-emission buses by 2030. The City of Los Angeles has set a goal of converting every city vehicle to zero-emission technology by 2050.

It is estimated the 130 buses will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 8,225 metric tons per year and by 98,700 metric tons over the buses’ 12-year life, reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 81% compared to LADOT’s compressed natural gas buses.

The buses will be built at BYD’s Coach & Bus factory in Lancaster, California, in northern Los Angeles County. . . .

The 30-foot K7M has 22 seats, a range of up to 150 miles, and can be charged in 2.5 to 3 hours . . . With lower fuel and maintenance costs, the K7M has lower total cost of ownership than diesel or CNG.

BYD offers a 12-year warranty on its batteries, the longest in the industry. . . .

It's to be hoped that these buses will meet their contractual requirements, unlike the ones in Albuquerque that led to this:
City sues BYD over ART buses
https://www.abqjournal.com/1254901/city ... buses.html
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:17 pm

GCC:
Ulstein introducing hydrogen fuel cell off-shore vessel; sea trials could happen in 2022
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/1 ... stein.html


. . . The ULSTEIN SX190 Zero Emission DP2 construction support vessel is Ulstein’s first hydrogen-powered offshore vessel, featuring a Nedstack fuel cell power system. The DP2 vessel can cater for a large variety of offshore support operations. Sea trials of a newbuild ULSTEIN SX190 Zero Emission could happen as soon as 2022. . . .

With today’s technology, the ULSTEIN SX190 design is already capable to operate 4 days in zero-emission mode. However, with the rapid developments in hydrogen storage and fuel cell technologies, a future zero-emission endurance of up to two weeks is targeted. For extended missions and capabilities, the vessel can fall back on its more conventional diesel-electric system using low sulfur marine diesel oil.

The ULSTEIN SX190 Zero Emission design is based on Ulstein’s existing SX190 vessel platform and has a total installed power of 7.5 MW, of which 2 MW is generated by a fuel cell power system, typically Nedstack Proton Exchange Membrane (PEM) fuel cells, which are located in a separate, second engine room.

Nedstack fuel cell systems have already been built and proven in the multi-megawatt power ranges and have now been marinized to meet the requirements of the marine industry, including class requirements and supply chains. . . .

The PEM fuel cells used in the SX190 Zero Emission design are fueled by hydrogen from containerized pressure vessels, a well-proven and readily available technology. These hydrogen storage containers can be loaded and unloaded by normal container handling operations and equipment, thus eliminating the need for expensive bunkering infrastructure and providing worldwide operational flexibility.

The hydrogen containers can be refilled at hydrogen production sites, either from industry by-product hydrogen or green hydrogen from electrolysis, making the vessel globally employable.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:45 pm

IEVS:
Morris Commercial Introduces Sentimental Electric Morris JE Van
https://insideevs.com/news/382554/elect ... is-je-van/

It's a premium all-electric van with retro styling and 200 miles (320 km) of range, capable of taking 1,000 kg of payload. . . .

Carbon-fiber body, probably around 60kWh pack.
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