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Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:59 pm
by dgpcolorado
WetEV wrote:
dgpcolorado wrote:I'm down 15% at 69,000 miles in a five year old car


According to LeafSpy today I'm down 12% in 5 years and 50k miles. Your S60 has 3 times the battery size of my car.
As it happens, my LEAF was down more than that in 4 years at 33k miles with nothing but local driving at moderate speeds in a mild climate and with very slow charging.

I've Supercharged my S60 more than 273 times. I'd venture to guess that you haven't DCFCed your LEAF that many times. Might be part of the difference, although that's a WAG. Anyway, I'm something of a degradation outlier in the Tesla community, much as you are the other way in the LEAF community!

Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:29 pm
by WetEV
dgpcolorado wrote:
WetEV wrote:
dgpcolorado wrote:I'm down 15% at 69,000 miles in a five year old car


According to LeafSpy today I'm down 12% in 5 years and 50k miles. Your S60 has 3 times the battery size of my car.
I've Supercharged my S60 more than 273 times. I'd venture to guess that you haven't DCFCed your LEAF that many times.
Yes, only 128 QCs. Which is still a lot.
dgpcolorado wrote:Anyway, I'm something of a degradation outlier in the Tesla community, much as you are the other way in the LEAF community!
Above average, yes. Not as much as some local LEAFs. Mine isn't as good as (now ex-)co-worker's LEAF, a 2013 with more miles and less degradation than mine, two DCQCs in total, and 90% L1 charging outdoors. I think I'll make 60k before losing a bar, and maybe 70k. But not over 100k. Not a chance.

Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:20 pm
by GRA
IEVS:
This Tesla Model S P85+ Just Passed One Million Kilometers On Odometer
https://insideevs.com/news/385016/tesla ... illion-km/

But it has already gone through a lot besides huge distances: four motors, and three battery packs. . . .

The car is currently using its 4th electric motor. The current one is holding well after 680,000 km. It is also the only one the car has since we are talking about an RWD unit. Anyway, it had to go to the shop three times to have so many km crossed, but not only that. It is also in its 3rd battery pack.

Von Gemmingen says his former batteries started to have problems when the car had 290,000 km. Tesla needed half a year to replace it, so he got a loaner battery for this period and did more 150,000 km with it. That was when he got the final battery pack installed, currently with 470,000 km. He counts only two of them, but we think the loaner battery also deserves some recognition.

The problem with these numbers is that there must be something missing. The 290,000 km plus 150,000 km would make the car have 440,000 km when it got the current battery pack. If it is actually on the EV for the last 470,000 km, it would be “only” a 910,000-km, short of the one million km mark by 90,000 km. We hope Von Gemmingen can explain that to us in the future. . . .

Asked about tips he had to keep electric cars running smoothly, Von Gemmingen advised always charging at low speed and Supercharging only for long distances. If your car's battery pack is above 10 percent charge and only up to 90 percent of charge. Will we see more people trying to break his record? We hope so.
That's 4 motors and 3 packs in 621,000 miles in a car bought used with 30,000 km in 2014. We don't know when it was built, but it has obviously had a high cycle life but possibly only a 5 year calendar life, in Germany so the climate is good for batteries.

Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:21 am
by DaveinOlyWA
We all know batteries degrade and that starts on day one. Who is the mileage champ still on their original pack?

Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:26 pm
by dgpcolorado
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:21 am
We all know batteries degrade and that starts on day one. Who is the mileage champ still on their original pack?
I know of one car that had the original 85 pack changed out at 197k miles. That's the longest I've heard of for the early battery packs, although there may well be others with more mileage.

Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:59 am
by cwerdna
Came across a bitter pill for this person: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... il.176939/.

They had an original 60 kWh S w/8 year/125K mile battery pack (and DU) warranty but they're past 125K miles and Tesla won't cover it. They said "Approx. 18k still owed on loan.
Cost for repairing battery/install $11k "

I haven't read the thread in detail but it's funny how a bunch of people were confused by Elon's original announcement and didn't catch that the 40 and 60 kWh Model S of the time didn't get an infinite mileage but limited by 8 year battery pack and DU warranty.

On the bright side, per kWh, it's a lot better deal than the obscene amount Nissan wants for a 24 kWh pack.

Will be interesting to know if out of DU and battery pack warranty Model S take a big hit/nosedive in resale value. We'll be seeing more and more soon...

Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:42 am
by Valdemar
I can't wait to learn about post warranty Tesla resale values. The Leaf situation may end up being not too bad, relatively, after all.

Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:34 am
by palmermd
Valdemar wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:42 am
I can't wait to learn about post warranty Tesla resale values. The Leaf situation may end up being not too bad, relatively, after all.

I'm also curious to see what happens after warranties expire. But I'm not sure why you suggest Tesla will be equal or worse than leaf. Leaf values plummeted well before warranties expired. Most Tesla's are doing well with regard to battery which would be the big ticket item to replace. But for sure we will see changes to the resale and we'll likely see some sort of aftermarket refurbishment business start to pop up.

Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:21 pm
by dgpcolorado
I certainly was aware of the warranty mileage limit for my S-60 battery but it appears that I will hit the limit at about seven to eight years, so it doesn't make much difference — I'm currently at 90k miles on my May 2014 build car.

My battery is down about 14% but it seems to have been stable at that figure for over a year now. My plan, when the range got too low to do my longer trip legs, was to put another battery in the car. A year and a half ago a service guy quoted me $15k for a battery replacement (a software limited 75 kWh battery, he said). However, I have no idea what sort of replacements will actually be available when the time comes, or the cost. For now my range isn't dropping much, if at all, so it is something to worry about for the future.

I'd rather pay for a rebuilt battery for an otherwise solid car than roll the dice on buying another much more expensive used Tesla that would have options and features that I really don't want. However, there may be a lot of other EV choices in a few years, so I'll wait and see. I have already got a lot more of my money's worth on my S-60 than I did on my LEAF, but back in 2011 I was eager to get an EV any way I could!

Re: Official Tesla Model S thread

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:50 pm
by DougWantsALeaf
What highway range do you get in you 60? 200 miles? (Temperate summer day)