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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:02 pm

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COMPARO
2020 Ford Escape plug-in vs. Toyota RAV4 Prime, Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV: How they compare on paper
The plug-in hybrid crossover market gets some serious competition

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/09/202 ... omparison/
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:59 pm

GCR:
2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime first drive review: The way a plug-in hybrid should be

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... -should-be


I'm not thrilled by the description of the way regen works, esp. in Hybrid mode, but I expect Toyota will sell every one they make (only 20k annual prod. planned, which is ludicrous) and I'll definitely test drive one.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:26 pm

We went to our local Toyota dealership today, mainly to drive a Hybrid Rav-4 to see if we even liked how the Rav-4 sat as the Prime isn't available yet. When I asked about the Prime they were quite pessimistic about it, availability that is. I was told they currently have 5 people in line but they said the latest they've heard was late 2021 for availability! and even then they said since we aren't a CAFE state they were only likely to see one or two a year :( Now I know part of the doom and gloom may have been because they currently have hybrids and no Primes but still it was kind of disappointing. On the positive side, we really liked how the Rav4 sat and drove and appreciated the higher seating position(from the ground) and increased storage over something like our Leaf, we also liked the idea of AWD and increased ground clearance in snowy MN.

While at the dealership we took advantage to check out a Prius Prime, unfortunately, Limited trim. While it had definite improvements over our '07, it also had some things I wasn't so impressed with. Cargo area was much smaller than our Prius due to the somewhat small battery :roll: something we really liked about our '07, cabin space also seemed a bit smaller, backseat space and a larger front console made it a bit more cramped all around but livable, cargo space was kind of a deal-breaker. We both liked the room and higher seating position of the Rav-4 so I'm really thinking our next new vehicle will be a proper SUV and I'm going to be pretty insistent on at least a PHEV. We both liked the Rav-4 better than the Mitsubishi Outlander we drove a couple of months ago which is too bad as they seem plentiful even in our state and everyone seems to be willing to deal, something I'd not expect with the Rav-4 Prime for many years to come, in fact I'd feel happy to find one for even list for again several years.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:53 pm

What is the AER range of the hybrid?
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:22 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:53 pm
What is the AER range of the hybrid?
The Hybrid has a 14.5g tank and EPA is 41/38 and 40 combined, so for a strictly road trip at 38mpg I'd figure 551 miles.
I've read the PHEV will have a 42 mile EV range with the same 14.5g tank for a total 600-mile range rated. EPA mpg 40/36 38 combined. For strictly hwy mpg(36) I figure the prime at 564 miles not 600, even at the combined number of 38mpg I only get 593 miles total range for the Prime so I'm not sure how they come up with the 600......
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:22 pm

Sorry. AER stand for "All-Electric Range." Our 2010 Prius II had an "EV" button that would give us maybe a mile of EV range, if you kept a light foot on the pedal. Does the hybrid have an EV mode for things like changing parking spaces or driving a few blocks without starting the ICE?
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:50 pm

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2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime First Drive Review: Plug And Play

https://www.motor1.com/reviews/431633/2 ... rst-drive/

Confirms SE has cloth seats. Weather and Moonroof package ($1,665) would give Leftie the heated steering wheel he wants, along with some other stuff (heated rear seats, auto wipers, Moonroof) he may or may not.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:52 pm

It’s just too bad it wouldn’t arrive until 2022.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:49 pm

It's an interesting vehicle, but it isn't for us. Both my housemate and I will likely be getting new(er) cars in the next year or two, but she is completely off of Toyotas after discovering that the engine in hers isn't the bulletproof engineering wonder we thought it was, and she is actually considering a 40kwh Leaf to get away from ICE cars entirely. She also does not like SUVs. I don't want an ICE either, and will almost certainly get a 2020 or 2021 SV+.

It is nice to see that you will be able to get a RAV-4 Prime with cloth interior and heated seats and steering wheel, for (just barely) under $40k. Maybe all of the complaining I did to Toyota over the years in the PIP owner's group did some good.
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Re: The RAV-4 PHEV Topic

Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:14 pm

jjeff wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:26 pm
I was told they currently have 5 people in line but they said the latest they've heard was late 2021 for availability! and even then they said since we aren't a CAFE state they were only likely to see one or two a year :(
You mean CARB state (California Air Resources Board)? CAFE is a national standard (https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/ ... el-economy).

It seems like https://insideevs.com/news/431767/suzuk ... announced/ might be related to why there's limited supply.
The plug-in hybrid Across is "the first model supplied from Toyota Motor Corporation under the collaborative business agreement between Toyota and Suzuki" and we guess it will be vital to lowering Suzuki's average CO2 emission to comply with stricter requirements in the EU.

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